The Bryce Young "Game Winning Drive" narrative needs to end

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, strato said:

I don’t remember much Jake animosity until he had the arm problem and Hurney had given him the big money. I forget the sequence I think the arm was post contract. 
 

But this place is a magnet for irrational attachments to players. Like Weinke. Lol. 
 

Which I always thought his big extension was a direct result of the mishandling of Pepper and the tagging him killing the cap space and Jake benefitted from that need to move money around or free it up in the short term. 

they paid Jake Delhomme.....after Tommy Jone....and after this...

[panthers55]

5 minutes ago, strato said:

Okay. I should probably have said what I really thought which was size and arm talent but I was  trying to avoid arguing 

And again does that guarantee success. There have been a lot of QBs with all the measurables who have had less success than Bryce already. Is it a minimum that if you don't reach you can't be successful? Bryce has already shown you can win despite your size if you have other attributes that make up for it.

 

[electro's horse]

6 minutes ago, strato said:

I don’t remember much Jake animosity until he had the arm problem and Hurney had given him the big money. I forget the sequence I think the arm was post contract. 

Arm injury was 07. 06 was when criticism really started. part of the arm injury was likely him overtraining after the 06 season. 

[fanpanther]

20 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

And how many games did we win where Delhomme had less than 200 yards passing and we averaged over 150 yards running the ball with JStew and DeAngelo? I really am asking since I don't care enough to research it. But if it was a number, how come he hasn't gotten the crap Bryce has gotten.

didnt feel like looking up your exact question b/c that would be crazy tough to find but over both of their entire nfl careers jake averaged 203.6 ypg 7.2 ypa  byoung 178.6 ypg and 5.8 ypa.....watching them both play vastly different players entire other end of the spectrum and jake wasnt a great athlete he just was a player who made things happen but then towards end of his career the little athleticness he had left and so with it his greatness.  

[CRA]

10 hours ago, panthers55 said:

So tell me he didn't sulk on the sidelines with his head in a towel when he played poorly early in his career.  

Cam would put a towel on his head when things were going great.  Towel was largely a media thing.  It existed no matter what was happening.  

I actually loved the fact Cam was such a horrible loser.    I hated everyone seemed so fixated on making him a good loser.    That was part of of what made him tick.  Bad w/ the good. 

[electro's horse]

1 minute ago, fanpanther said:

didnt feel like looking up your exact question b/c that would be crazy tough to find but over both of their entire nfl careers jake averaged 203.6 ypg 7.2 ypa  byoung 178.6 ypg and 5.8 ypa.....watching them both play vastly different players entire other end of the spectrum and jake wasnt a great athlete he just was a player who made things happen but then towards end of his career the little athleticness he had left and so with it his greatness.  

Jake had one of the better deep balls in the league, was an okay scrambler, could take a beating at his age, and played in a much more difficult era. Poor athlete is a stretch. 

[strato]

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

they paid Jake Delhomme.....after Tommy Jone....and after this...

Wow I had forgotten. Not that game, but the sequence. 
 

The thing about Peppers and what I thought was JR dictating to Hurney to tag him etc.. I remember thinking that had to be at the bottom of his restructure 

What I seem to remember is Jake had a contract, and it got reworked to the real bad point. Hell it isn’t important though I got got some 20 yard deep balls to argue about….

[strato]

6 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

And again does that guarantee success. There have been a lot of QBs with all the measurables who have had less success than Bryce already. Is it a minimum that if you don't reach you can't be successful? Bryce has already shown you can win despite your size if you have other attributes that make up for it.

 

See what I mean? 

[panthers55]

9 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Er 2006. Typo. weinke started three games that season  

there were plenty of criticisms of Jake during the 2005 season. They went to the nfc championship game sure but they were a wildcard team; they weren’t some dominant team in general. 

as far as justified, probably not; but that has nothing to do with the criticisms Bryce receives. 

Actually it does. Jake had better talent around him and a consistent coach for his career. Yeah he came out off the blocks and led us to success early which was opposite  of Bryce, but honestly I think the team this year is the first time Bryce has had a legitimate coach and decent talent around him.  Something almost every knowledgeable analyst has said over the past 2 years. It only seems in the huddle all that gets ignored and he has been constantly criticized about a lot of things he had no control over and they weren't his fault.

[electro's horse]

Just a reminder Bryce has had 11 games with a potential game winning or tying drive at the end where they DIDNT convert. Some of these losses include him

- spiking the ball with no time left against Green Bay after throwing to the middle of the field 

- checking into the wrong play on fourth down against the Vikings 

- the recent cardinals fiasco 

 

[therealmjl]

Bruh shut up. Bryce lives rent free in your head.

[strato]

7 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Arm injury was 07. 06 was when criticism really started. part of the arm injury was likely him overtraining after the 06 season. 

Hell I agetting so old I don’t remember what the ‘06 season was. I remember doing great in the playoffs in ‘05 until we had no one but Smitty left standing in Seattle. Was it Hoover or Goings we were down to and early in the game they took him out too. 

[fanpanther]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

Actually it does. Jake had better talent around him and a consistent coach for his career. Yeah he came out off the blocks and led us to success early which was opposite  of Bryce, but honestly I think the team this year is the first time Bryce has had a legitimate coach and decent talent around him.  Something almost every knowledgeable analyst has said over the past 2 years. It only seems in the huddle all that gets ignored and he has been constantly criticized about a lot of things he had no control over and they weren't his fault.

So after the jets game when bryce sucks it up the rest of the year is that going to be enough to move on from him, or will that be b/c the panthers got rid of thielen or the coach sucks or the oline had injuries the real question is how bad does he have to be for the bryce supporters to want a change.  

[strato]

3 minutes ago, therealmjl said:

Bruh shut up. Bryce lives rent free in your head.

Not rent free by any means.