Hey You, You Don't Know Quarterbacking

[strato]

14 minutes ago, cranky said:

I can agree that not everyone who dilslikes him are not haters. But there are several around here who regardless of the topic, will somehow get a dig in on Young. Doesn't matter what the original topic is, they will somehow get around to blaming Bryce for it. 

We just had a great win and are at .500 for the first time in years and people are still making post disparaging Young. A few people around here just can't stand to see him succeed. They are welcome to their opinion - I just get tired of seeing them rag on him in every post. 

IMO this is a totally two way street, and it is not based on Bryce at all, it is aimed at the people that have been irritating in one way or another. 
There were long stretches where if you questioned Bryce you are getting attacked by a group of people. As a non believer, even posing a question about the velocity of the passes, like was that gonna work? The limitations that might be placed on the offense, you don’t have to make sensational claims you got poo if you questioned the narrative. 
 

I know I did and it pissed me off pretty good a some people. It is t necessarily Bryce hate at all. They still put digs in posts so don’t make out like it is only one direction. 

Why would anyone make it personal with a player, unless they are some goof like Robbie Anderson? it is not that. 

Now do I hate watching him play bad football for my favorite team? Most of the time over the last 2.5 years, yeah. I don’t like it. There has been plenty not to like. With some decent to very good mixed in with it. That kind of is what it is, and what he makes it. 

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[mrcompletely11]

32 minutes ago, KSpan said:

My god, bringing in Teddy was one of the most limp, milquetoast moves that the franchise could have made in that scenario and just went to show how out of touch Rhule and company were with the NFL. Plenty here knew that was case as well. Blech.

Cam was quite literally still under contract and they flip him for teddy.   We should have burned the stadium down

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

hell, the huddle literally attacked, insulted, and ran Dan Morgan (a real live Panther trying to be involved) away back in the day (who was nothing but awesome here).  But some say those were the glory days and it's bad here because there is in-depth and persistent criticisms about Bryce Young's physical tools, ball placement, and throws and lack of production/success (and through all that, Bryce Young the human being is almost literally never attacked). 

Yeah, this is a common human trait. Romanticing the past. For a chunk, childhood or early adult years seemed better because of many different reasons. Simpler, less worries, less life experience to even see the bad things, etc. 

People really don't recall how nuts this place has been at several times. The toxic Tinderbox invasions, the insanely racist anti-Cam people, the neverending Gettleman vs. Hurney threads, the trolling, the bullying, the super creeps, etc, etc.

[LinvilleGorge]

52 minutes ago, CRA said:

it's pretty simple IMO.  The Tepper Panthers are the most unsuccessful professional sports team in all of sports.  The problem isn't the posters here have changed ( I still content people falsely romanticize the old days).  The product dictates the atmosphere more than anything.  In reality, the daily convos about THE worst team in all of pro sports on a fanatics site....is going to feature harsh and critical convo.  Only one entity can actually change that.  It's the Carolina Panthers football team. 

if you are the most unsuccessful professional sports teams (Tepper's Panthers are that).....and a place like this isn't filled with very critical thoughts? Well, you probably don't actually have a real fanbase IMO. 

Thanks for saving me the typing.

[CRA]

13 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

We dont want him to fail. We want him to succeed. We want him to be the franchise. We are fast approaching a critical point this offseason where we have to either extend him, decline or take his 5th year, or play him on his final year. Our FO has been very lazy about building anything behind him if he isnt the guy, to prevent us being forced to go QB in the 1st again. 

The way this whole situation has been handled from the trade, to the Teppers, to Reich, to the combine, etc has been ridiculous. 

I'm sure the Bryce fanboys deem me co chair of the haters club.  But I was once a champion for Bryce and argued the Panthers were setting him up to fail (and the all star staff Frank Reich crew came for me then) lol.   I supported the org going all in on Bryce and a Bryce offense.   They opted not to do that and I merely accepted that reality. 

 

[mrcompletely11]

24 minutes ago, ChibCU said:

Agreed with all but this line. There are those who have their predictive beliefs and what reality to play out in perfect alignment. 

wanting him to fail and being practical about your belief of him after 30 something games are two utterly and completely different things

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, strato said:

IMO this is a totally two way street, and it is not based on Bryce at all, it is aimed at the people that have been irritating in one way or another. 
There were long stretches where if you questioned Bryce you are getting attacked by a group of people. As a non believer, even posing a question about the velocity of the passes, like was that gonna work? The limitations that might be placed on the offense, you don’t have to make sensational claims you got poo if you questioned the narrative. 
 

I know I did and it pissed me off pretty good a some people. It is t necessarily Bryce hate at all. They still dig in posts so don’t make out like it only one direction. 

Why would anyone make it personal with a player, unless they are some goof like Robbie Anderson? it is not that. 

Now do I hate watching him play bad football for my favorite team? Most of the time over the last 2.5 years, yeah. I don’t like it. There has been plenty not to like. With some decent to very good mixed in with it. That kind of is what is is, and what he makes it. 

You know what I hate most about watching the Panthers now? That I really don't care that much about the outcome. Some of that is just age but I was in a casino sportsbook with a Jags fan this past Sunday and he is living and dying with all their plays. I remember that poo. Meanwhile, I am cracking jokes about the Panthers and either just laughing or shaking my head when fuged up stuff happened to us. 

He was bummed about their loss and I really didn't care about the good win we just got against a hated opponent.

That's what really makes me pissed at what we have become. I watch out of habit and nothing else. 

[onmyown]

“grossly overvalued from a fan and media standpoint, creating an absurd fixation on the results delivered by a single player who has to rely on the contributions of everyone around them. This also drives the dreaded inflation of QB salaries”

What drives those insane QB salaries is not the media and fans it’s the organizations realizing how important the position is.

Of course lots of things go into a successful team but it is clear there are VERY few examples of Super Bowl winners that had a team good enough to be champs without elite QB play and in contrast SEVERAL examples of champs with other positions lacking.

 

 

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[mav1234]

13 minutes ago, cranky said:

I can agree that not everyone who dilslikes him are not haters. But there are several around here who regardless of the topic, will somehow get a dig in on Young. Doesn't matter what the original topic is, they will somehow get around to blaming Bryce for it. 

We just had a great win and are at .500 for the first time in years and people are still making post disparaging Young. A few people around here just can't stand to see him succeed. They are welcome to their opinion - I just get tired of seeing them rag on him in every post. 

There are also posters that go into every thread period and bring up Bryce Young somehow in a positive light, regardless of context, quite often to knock other players (sometimes not even on our team). And we had a game day thread where every three posts someone would go "if only Bryce Young had made that tackle" or some crap.

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

I'm sure the Bryce fanboys deem me co chair of the haters club.  But I was once a champion for Bryce and argued the Panthers were setting him up to fail (and the all star staff Frank Reich crew came for me then) lol.   I supported the org going all in on Bryce and a Bryce offense.   They opted not to do that and I merely accepted that reality. 

 

I was one of the biggest "draft Bryce" proponents after we made that ill fated trade up. Believed in all that field reading ability, etc. 

I was wrong. Completely. He was/is basically a project QB with a severely limited ceiling. This far into the project, I am just not seeing the evidence this will end up working out aside from him possibly being an above average #2 QB. 

Certainly, most of us here are not highly experienced ex-college football or NFL players/coaches/scouts/etc. But it really doesn't take THAT trained of an eye to see when a QB keeps failing or flagging when almost every component around them keeps changing. 

The "good enough" moniker is fine for plenty of scenarios in the NFL but you don't trade the farm to get up to #1 overall for "good enough." 

7 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

wanting him to fail and being practical about your belief of him after 30 something games are two utterly and completely different things

The evidence of this miraculous turnaround seems to still be lacking. If it happens, amazing. Until then, he is basically living on borrowed time and the team should very much consider a pivot in the offseason.

[strato]

26 minutes ago, ChibCU said:

Agreed with all but this line. There are those who have their predictive beliefs and what reality to play out in perfect alignment. 

Well, let’s say you have a strong belief that we are completely wasting our time.
Wouldn’t it be maybe expeditious for the situation to come to a conclusion sooner than later? 

It isn’t necessarily any different than people wanting to tank for a higher pick. 

9 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

That extends to the general internet, as well. People are far nastier to each other online and IRL. Different times have fueled some of this as well as just the overwhelming angst the Tepper era has wrought. 

I mean, has everyone forgotten the highs of the early post-JR days? "Oh it's all going to change! No more NFL Shield at midfield! No more mom and pop BS!"

Whew....boy we all regret those statements, I am sure. 

The fanbase and our situation is a result of having the worst owner in the NFL. Ask Redskins fans about that.

The Bryce poo is just another in a long line of blunders we have made in the past decade. I remember insane vitriol directed at Cam that was WAAAAAY more toxic than anything lobbed at Bryce.

Well we don’t have too many bandwagon casuals any more, other than a few Bryce Bama imports, as opposed to the successful team we had the. Which generates more attention. 

You were gonna get more bullshit in Cam’s day just based off of the popularity and bandwagon casuals swelling the numbers. 

[CRA]

3 minutes ago, onmyown said:

“grossly overvalued from a fan and media standpoint, creating an absurd fixation on the results delivered by a single player who has to rely on the contributions of everyone around them. This also drives the dreaded inflation of QB salaries”

What drives those insane QB salaries is not the media and fans it’s the organizations realizing how important the position is.

Of course lots of things go into a successful team but it is clear there are VERY few examples of Super Bowl winners that had a team good enough to be champs without elite QB play and in contrast SEVERAL examples of champs without other positions lacking.

 

 

It's hard to say the QB position in overvalued.....when you look at the night and day difference of a football team when Lamar Jackson or  Joe Burrow suddenly can't suit up for their team.    

Ravens magically went from averaging 32 points per game to 6 points per game.  

I mean, it takes at team to win games.  But there is no more impactful position in the NFL than QB.  A really great QB to a below average QB creates wild swings in football. 

 

[strato]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

It's hard to say the QB position in overvalued.....when you look at the night and day difference of a football team when Lamar Jackson or  Joe Burrow suddenly can't suit up for their team.    

Ravens magically went from averaging 32 points per game to 6 points per game.  

I mean, it takes at team to win games.  But there is no more impactful position in the NFL than QB.  A really great QB to a below average QB creates wild swings in football. 

 

it is elementary. The QB is the only player that touches the ball on every no kicking play.
And is The major factor in the performance of the offense. 

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

It's hard to say the QB position in overvalued.....when you look at the night and day difference of a football team when Lamar Jackson or  Joe Burrow suddenly can't suit up for their team.    

Ravens magically went from averaging 32 points per game to 6 points per game.  

I mean, it takes at team to win games.  But there is no more impactful position in the NFL than QB.  A really great QB to a below average QB creates wild swings in football. 

 

I think it has been so long ago that we saw great QB play that some people have literally forgotten what it looks like.