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Bryce's Achilles Heel Is Not What You Think It Is

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7 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

I think I get it now. Some of yall think a QB is the end all be all of a team's passing success. To me, they're just a bigger cog in the machine. One player can ruin a pass play for a QB. One. One player on any pass can completely ruin a play for a QB. One guard's block. One tackle's block. One TE's block or drop or bad route. One WR drop or bad route. One RB block or bad route. QB is THE single most dependent position on the football field. The team determines a QB's success.  

No. That's not it at all. QBs either help lift up a team (elite to good starting QB), basically get you what you'd expect out of the overall roster (average starter), or hold you back (below average to bad starter). The Eagles built an offense around Hurts' strengths. Would he be as good here in this offense? No. Better than Bryce? Yeah, I'd confidently say that. Would the Eagles be worse with Bryce than Hurts? A lot worse.

You seem to think Bryce is in that "average starter" category but that's where Bryce has peaked. "Good Bryce" has been in that category, but typical Bryce I had firmly been the the "below average to bad starter" category.

I mean, 40 year old Flacco just came off the bench after being on a team for a matter of days and put up what would be Bryce's best game ever.

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11 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

So you think Hurts would have won a Super Bowl, a MVP or all pro while playing QB for Carolina the past 2 seasons? Are you serious?

We got the highest paid OL in the NFL, with good RBs to play with the past 2 years.  Jalen Hurts could just read option and make some safe throws and the O would be more productive than it has been w/ Bryce.   

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2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

It's comical at this point.  Hes been objectively one of the worst qbs in the NFL going on 3 years now and folks still make excuses

He has. I agree. But so has this entire roster. This entire roster has been arguably the worst in the NFL since 2023. I'm trying to be objective. But this team has been trash top to bottom and you know it. It just pains you to admit for some reason. The oline and WRs in 2023 are the worst I've ever seen in Carolina. They improved the oline in 2024, but then the WRs and defense actually got WORSE! Hopefully they're going in the right direction now, but come on. Let's practice having objective opinions. Not emotional ones. Thanks. 

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1 minute ago, CRA said:

We got the highest paid OL in the NFL, with good RBs to play with the past 2 years.  Jalen Hurts could just read option and make some safe throws and the O would be more productive than it has been w/ Bryce.   

Pretty much. I mean, we have the tools to largely duplicate what the Eagles are on offense.

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2 minutes ago, CRA said:

We got the highest paid OL in the NFL, with good RBs to play with the past 2 years.  Jalen Hurts could just read option and make some safe throws and the O would be more productive than it has been w/ Bryce.   

Good RBs? They had Chuba in 2023 and 2024. It took 2 games to realize he wasn't all we thought he was. Consistent. But left a lot of meat on the bones. A lot. Good luck with that approach with Hurts. How lond do you think it would take for defenses to figure that out without a real threat at WR?

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16 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

No. That's not it at all. QBs either help lift up a team (elite to good starting QB), basically get you what you'd expect out of the overall roster (average starter), or hold you back (below average to bad starter). The Eagles built an offense around Hurts' strengths. Would he be as good here in this offense? No. Better than Bryce? Yeah, I'd confidently say that. Would the Eagles be worse with Bryce than Hurts? A lot worse.

You seem to think Bryce is in that "average starter" category but that's where Bryce has peaked. "Good Bryce" has been in that category, but typical Bryce I had firmly been the the "below average to bad starter" category.

I mean, 40 year old Flacco just came off the bench after being on a team for a matter of days and put up what would be Bryce's best game ever.

Linville, he had what would be a lot of QBs best games ever. A lot more than just BY. And for the record, I don't think it was better than the final game last season. 

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2 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

No we don't. Who is our AJ Brown or Devonta Smith or Saquan Barkley?

We have a great offensive line and two really good RBs. Dowdle has pretty much been the best player in the league over the past two weeks. AJ Brown seems like he wants out of Philly because he isn't being used.

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11 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Good RBs? They had Chuba in 2023 and 2024. It took 2 games to realize he wasn't all we thought he was. Consistent. But left a lot of meat on the bones. A lot. Good luck with that approach with Hurts. How lond do you think it would take for defenses to figure that out without a real threat at WR?

Bro, the highest paid OL AND Chubba is a dang good setup.   That's what Bryce had last year.  

Rico Dowdle doing some historical poo for 2 weeks this year, doesn't mean Hubbard isn't a rock solid RB. 

See.....this is what Bryce defending does.  So much gymnastics that you end up where you just did. 

Hurts was going to playoffs and Super Bowls with Miles Sanders at RB.  Saquon just icing on a cake that was fine without it. 

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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

We have a great offensive line and two really good RBs. Dowdle has pretty much been the best player in the league over the past two weeks. AJ Brown seems like he wants out of Philly because he isn't being used.

They've won those last 2 games too. Bryce hasn't brought them down. He's actually made big plays in those games. Dowdle has been the star though for sure. And yo know AJ Brown and Smith change the way defense play the Eagles. Exchange him for Legette or Tremayne and things would be very different. 

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