what does bryce young excel at

[cranky]

3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

You can't argue with this level of logic 

Exactly!

[cranky]

17 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

If I have to explain it to you it's not worth the time.  And it seems like another poster has taken you to task for your "data"

If you can't understand something that simple, than you are correct it's not worth my time

[mrcompletely11]

14 minutes ago, cranky said:

Jameis Winston averaged close to 270 yards per game his first three years and we see what that got him. It's not all about the yards.

Keep cherry picking lol

[mav1234]

33 minutes ago, cranky said:

I just looked and he averaged around 16 yards a game those first 6 gammes. But that's besides teh point. The point is you don't pass when you don't need to. 

The first 6 games of 2015?  He averaged 40 yards rushing and 210 yards passing for 250 yards per game, at least so says pfr...

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/N/NewtCa00/gamelog/2015/#63-68-sum:stats

[electro's horse]

18 minutes ago, cranky said:

They are every game he has started as a Panthers bioth before and after his benching. How in the world can you say that is random.

Jesus christ my guy. 

 

I'm going to humor you in case you're actually being sincere and are just ignorant. Also, you're not very good at tossing barbs. Please stop. 

I did not say random; I said arbitrary. That is a much different thing. 

You're comparing QBR in starts across multiple coaching staffs, seasons, offensive personnel, against defenses with wildly variable of levels of competency, and don't really have a lot of data points. Choosing the dividing line at pre and post benching is arbitrary, and it's not even consistent. He was benched in his first season too. Why not when Reich was fired? Or when Canales was hired? Or when they drafted XL? 

Also, what are potential lurking variables here? I would if I was grading this tell you that you're not really showing anything useful. If your argument is that his QBR has trended up on a per game average from "this point" on then congrats yes you're correct. This is called cherry picking data. 

I understand you're trying to make this quick and dirty, but QB rating by itself doesn't really paint a useful picture. A simple thing you could do it do a second line along the same time domains of what the defense ranked league wide at the time they played each other. I would try to use a cumulative stat from the same source, tho. So qb rating v scoring defense across these specific truncated set of games that have occurred across three seasons with multiple coaching staff. 

Some other suggestions for you 

1. This is the wrong type of graph. You want a scatter point. 

2. The range for QB rating improvement is like 15 points or whatever. The y axis is broken up into 25s. How can I quantify the line? 

3. Quarterback rating goes to 158.3. Why does your line only go to 125? 

The only thing I would really take from this is that Bryce Young sucks in a way that QB rating doesn't pick up on. This is what you'd call a "problem with the data." 

Lastly, I would point out that QB rating as a formula was finalized in 1973. Offenses were so anemic back then it's referred to as the "dead ball era." Maybe not the best metric to measure QB success half a century later.

like buddy i've taken masters level data science courses, and believe me I've done some shitty fuging work. my masters thesis ended up being about why my method of data collection didn't work well enough for me to defend my thesis. I wrote 100 pages just kinda shrugging and saying "Well ya know covid is so challenging etc." 

You're trying to tell people their eyes are lying to them and are posting a very bad graph to do so. Don't be upset when people not only argue with you but point out how bad your graph is. 

[electro's horse]

3 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

The first 6 games of 2015?  He averaged 40 yards rushing and 210 yards passing for 250 yards per game, at least so says pfr...

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/N/NewtCa00/gamelog/2015/#63-68-sum:stats

He's probably looking somewhere that takes away rushing yards for sacks or something. 

To continue this "pedantic about data science" rant, not sure how you adjust for Bryce getting a coach specifically to craft an offense for him vs. Cam's offensive coordinator getting fired from Alabama for being too conservative and is also about to be found dead in a creek outside Columbia. 

Edited 3 hours ago by electro's horse

[cranky]

25 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

The first 6 games of 2015?  He averaged 40 yards rushing and 210 yards passing for 250 yards per game, at least so says pfr...

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/N/NewtCa00/gamelog/2015/#63-68-sum:stats

You're right. My bad. I stand corrected.

[dep]

10 minutes ago, cranky said:

You're right. My bad. I stand corrected.

Brady averaged less than 180 yards his first 6 games in 01, went on to win the sb. I still don't see what your point is. This probably isn't that rare. 

[dep]

41 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

 

I did not say random; I said arbitrary. That is a much different thing. 

 

Lol

[cranky]

9 minutes ago, dep said:

Brady averaged less than 180 yards his first 6 games in 01, went on to win the sb. I still don't see what your point is. This probably isn't that rare. 

Exactly! It isn't that rare. My point was his argument about Youngs lack of passing yards against the Falcons and Jets wasn't as bad a thing as he was trying to make it to be. 

[Panthera onca]

1 hour ago, electro's horse said:

I'm going to humor you in case you're actually being sincere and are just ignorant. Also, you're not very good at tossing barbs. Please stop. 

I did not say random; I said arbitrary. That is a much different thing. 

You're comparing QBR in starts across multiple coaching staffs, seasons, offensive personnel, against defenses with wildly variable of levels of competency, and don't really have a lot of data points. Choosing the dividing line at pre and post benching is arbitrary, and it's not even consistent. He was benched in his first season too. Why not when Reich was fired? Or when Canales was hired? Or when they drafted XL? 

Also, what are potential lurking variables here? I would if I was grading this tell you that you're not really showing anything useful. If your argument is that his QBR has trended up on a per game average from "this point" on then congrats yes you're correct. This is called cherry picking data. 

I understand you're trying to make this quick and dirty, but QB rating by itself doesn't really paint a useful picture. A simple thing you could do it do a second line along the same time domains of what the defense ranked league wide at the time they played each other. I would try to use a cumulative stat from the same source, tho. So qb rating v scoring defense across these specific truncated set of games that have occurred across three seasons with multiple coaching staff. 

Some other suggestions for you 

1. This is the wrong type of graph. You want a scatter point. 

2. The range for QB rating improvement is like 15 points or whatever. The y axis is broken up into 25s. How can I quantify the line? 

3. Quarterback rating goes to 158.3. Why does your line only go to 125? 

The only thing I would really take from this is that Bryce Young sucks in a way that QB rating doesn't pick up on. This is what you'd call a "problem with the data." 

Lastly, I would point out that QB rating as a formula was finalized in 1973. Offenses were so anemic back then it's referred to as the "dead ball era." Maybe not the best metric to measure QB success half a century later.

like buddy i've taken masters level data science courses, and believe me I've done some shitty fuging work. my masters thesis ended up being about why my method of data collection didn't work well enough for me to defend my thesis. I wrote 100 pages just kinda shrugging and saying "Well ya know covid is so challenging etc." 

You're trying to tell people their eyes are lying to them and are posting a very bad graph to do so. Don't be upset when people not only argue with you but point out how bad your graph is. 

You are wasting your time. This kind of information is waaayyyy over his head.

[d-dave]

I can't remember if this was said, but I'll reiterate:  Bryce Young's greatest super power is getting dudes all hot and bothered on the Huddle.  I am struggling to remember a time when the huddle was this TOXIC of a small dude with an OK arm and a lot more less than mediocre games than good games.

He's not quite as bad as the downers say, but he hasn't shown he's good enough to be the long term answer.  I guess we'll see once he comes back from his ankle injury what's up.

[strato]

2 hours ago, electro's horse said:

I'm going to humor you in case you're actually being sincere and are just ignorant. Also, you're not very good at tossing barbs. Please stop. 

I did not say random; I said arbitrary. That is a much different thing. 

You're comparing QBR in starts across multiple coaching staffs, seasons, offensive personnel, against defenses with wildly variable of levels of competency, and don't really have a lot of data points. Choosing the dividing line at pre and post benching is arbitrary, and it's not even consistent. He was benched in his first season too. Why not when Reich was fired? Or when Canales was hired? Or when they drafted XL? 

Also, what are potential lurking variables here? I would if I was grading this tell you that you're not really showing anything useful. If your argument is that his QBR has trended up on a per game average from "this point" on then congrats yes you're correct. This is called cherry picking data. 

I understand you're trying to make this quick and dirty, but QB rating by itself doesn't really paint a useful picture. A simple thing you could do it do a second line along the same time domains of what the defense ranked league wide at the time they played each other. I would try to use a cumulative stat from the same source, tho. So qb rating v scoring defense across these specific truncated set of games that have occurred across three seasons with multiple coaching staff. 

Some other suggestions for you 

1. This is the wrong type of graph. You want a scatter point. 

2. The range for QB rating improvement is like 15 points or whatever. The y axis is broken up into 25s. How can I quantify the line? 

3. Quarterback rating goes to 158.3. Why does your line only go to 125? 

The only thing I would really take from this is that Bryce Young sucks in a way that QB rating doesn't pick up on. This is what you'd call a "problem with the data." 

Lastly, I would point out that QB rating as a formula was finalized in 1973. Offenses were so anemic back then it's referred to as the "dead ball era." Maybe not the best metric to measure QB success half a century later.

like buddy i've taken masters level data science courses, and believe me I've done some shitty fuging work. my masters thesis ended up being about why my method of data collection didn't work well enough for me to defend my thesis. I wrote 100 pages just kinda shrugging and saying "Well ya know covid is so challenging etc." 

You're trying to tell people their eyes are lying to them and are posting a very bad graph to do so. Don't be upset when people not only argue with you but point out how bad your graph is. 

Imma let you argue for me in the future. 
 

I do see why the post benching and it is because many people delineate that, before and after. 

[strato]

1 hour ago, cranky said:

Exactly! It isn't that rare. My point was his argument about Youngs lack of passing yards against the Falcons and Jets wasn't as bad a thing as he was trying to make it to be. 

Here comes the minor leaguer argument. 
The Jets was completely different that Atlanta.

 We needed him to be able to run a passing attack against them because they were putting it on him doing that. 
When you run all over someone you don’t have to have that pass so much. But they were not letting that happen so we have to do it another way. 
I was fearful of a turnover losing that for us before he went out of the game. 

Edited 45 minutes ago by strato