Please DM, do not see Dalton failing as BY doing well enough for a big contract

[SCO96]

1 hour ago, OldhamA said:

Tough to be patient when we've seen zero flashes of greatness from him.

We see the occasional flash of competence.

I see nothing in his game to indicate that another coaching staff is going to look at him and say "If we can get this guy from the Panthers, it'll solve all of our issues at starting QB". He's at best a backup to steady the ship until a top level starter is able to regain control.

 

23 hours ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

As much as I think he has no shot, that possibility does exist.  I would think of it like this.  If he does somehow turn his career own elsewhere.  It was never going to happen in this organization with these people running it.  We need a guy with batteries included.

That's exactly how I feel. When I watch BY play in Carolina I don't see anything in his game to indicate that he's a guy that is going to keep the Panthers in playoff contention year in and year out.

If Canales and Morgan are going to succeed then they should have the right to pick THE GUY THAT THEY WANT AND BELIEVE IN AS A QB. If Canales and Morgan are going to be canned then they next QB/GM duo should gave the right to pick THE GUY THAT THEY WANT AND BELIEVE IN AS A QB. 

No one should have to coach this team with stipulation that "Young is your starting QB no matter what". 

Edited 2 hours ago by SCO96

[Waldo]

I have as much worry that moving on from Bryce will burn thr team any more than when we move on from Andy or Corbett or when we moved on from Ian Thomas. Unless he finds a team that has HOF WRs and a 150 yard a game RB there is no chance you will constantly see good Bryce. They will never build that around Bryce here when he is almost at his 5th year option and the last chances to stack a team around a rookie contract is freaking hilarious to me. The closest chance he had left is leaving here and going somewhere on the cheap that has those things until they give him a starter range QB contract which would just be Bryce here again. It's all a dead end with Bryce any way you look at it except the fantasy takes.

Edited 2 hours ago by Waldo

[SmokinwithWilly]

5 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

I see nothing in his game to indicate that another coaching staff is going to look at him and say "If we can get this guy from the Panthers, it'll solve all of our issues at starting QB". He's at best a backup to steady the ship until a top level starter is able to regain control.

 

That's exactly how I feel. When I watch BY play in Carolina I don't see anything in his game to indicate that he's a guy that is going to keep the Panthers in playoff contention year in and year out.

If Canales and Morgan are going to succeed then they should have the right to pick THE GUY THAT THEY WANT AND BELIEVE IN AS A QB. If Canales and Morgan are going to be canned then they next QB/GM duo should gave the right to pick THE GUY THAT THEY WANT AND BELIEVE IN AS A QB. 

No one should have to coach this team with stipulation that "Young is your starting QB no matter what". 

It's why Frank checked out as soon as Bryce was drafted. He didn't believe in him at draft time and he certainly didn't believe he was ready opening day. Body language says a lot and Franks said get me the F out of this clown show. 

[Waldo]

7 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

I see nothing in his game to indicate that another coaching staff is going to look at him and say "If we can get this guy from the Panthers, it'll solve all of our issues at starting QB". He's at best a backup to steady the ship until a top level starter is able to regain control.

 

That's exactly how I feel. When I watch BY play in Carolina I don't see anything in his game to indicate that he's a guy that is going to keep the Panthers in playoff contention year in and year out.

If Canales and Morgan are going to succeed then they should have the right to pick THE GUY THAT THEY WANT AND BELIEVE IN AS A QB. If Canales and Morgan are going to be canned then they next QB/GM duo should gave the right to pick THE GUY THAT THEY WANT AND BELIEVE IN AS A QB. 

No one should have to coach this team with stipulation that "Young is your starting QB no matter what". 

Both took the job when that was the reason they were both hired in the first place. They followed that up by keeping Dalton as option B. That excuse is dead.

[SmokinwithWilly]

11 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Both took the job when that was the reason they were both hired in the first place. They followed that up by keeping Dalton as option B. That excuse is dead.

If I remember correctly, it was a condition that Bryce was to remain firmly in place as QB for whoever took either job. I'd imagine that and Tepper's track record as a boss really limited the hiring pool. 

[PNW_PantherMan]

1 hour ago, OldhamA said:

He was literally sold as a galaxy brained, pro-ready QB.

He's been none of those things and molly-coddled for three years.

I completely agree.  I'm just giving the 1 in a million talk.

[SCO96]

13 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Both took the job when that was the reason they were both hired in the first place. They followed that up by keeping Dalton as option B. That excuse is dead.

I don't have a problem with Tepper wanting to hire a coach that the thought could salvage the investment that he made in Young after that dreadful Year 1. My problem would be if Tepper is telling them that Young "MUST BE" the starter and don't add any QBs to the roster that could outplay him.

To his credit, I do think Young is performed better under Canales than he did  was under Frank Reich. But, Young has limitations that will prevent him from taking a team to the next level. It is what it is. Dalton needs to be released or demoted to 3rd string at best. If Young is coming back for year 4 then another QB should be added who has a legitimate opportunity to compete for the starting job...and it needs to be someone who clicks with Canales and Morgan.

[Waldo]

6 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

If I remember correctly, it was a condition that Bryce was to remain firmly in place as QB for whoever took either job. I'd imagine that and Tepper's track record as a boss really limited the hiring pool. 

Yep and that's how we got what we got but that in no way changes what I said either. They had a chance to bring in another body and chose Dalton, Hooker and Plumber.

[mrcompletely11]

41 minutes ago, Panthering said:

Saints benched Rattler and keep indicating they want to go elsewhere with QB position, I'd trade for him for a shot of youth and some QB competition if he could be had for a good price.

Rattler 2025 stats: 8 Games, 68% Completion, 1,586 Yards, 8 TDs, 5 INTs, 6.2 Y/A, 5.94 AY/A, 18 Sacks

Young 2025 stats: 7 Games, 62% Completion, 1,288 Yards, 11 TDs, 5 INTs, 5.8 Y/A ,5.73 AY/A, 11 Sacks

 

Looking at that side by side that is some funny poo.  He has better numbers than Bryce and the still sat his ass.   

[mrcompletely11]

32 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

It's why Frank checked out as soon as Bryce was drafted. He didn't believe in him at draft time and he certainly didn't believe he was ready opening day. Body language says a lot and Franks said get me the F out of this clown show. 

I think he gave it the ol college try but if you remember that first preseason, much like last year, they hid bryce.  I think once the practices started everyone involved knew they were fuged.  If you recall Fitt even came out right before the season and said this process was going to take time and he referenced seattle.  But prior he said the roster was set up to just drop a qb in and compete for the division.

 

Once they saw Young in practice with his weak arm they knew their goose was cooked

[SmokinwithWilly]

3 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Yep and that's how we got what we got but that in no way changes what I said either. They had a chance to bring in another body and chose Dalton, Hooker and Plumber.

I wasn't disagreeing with what you were saying. I totally agree with it. I went back and looked up my initial response to re-signing Dalton and it was just what I thought. I hated it because we needed to do better than Dalton. This has all along felt like a quest by Tepper to prove himself as smart as all the Mel Kiper Jrs and smarter than all the football guys who said Bryce wouldn't translate to the NFL game. Our biggest problem isnt Bryce, DC, Evero or DM. It's Tepper's giant fugging ego. 

[Waldo]

4 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

I don't have a problem with Tepper wanting to hire a coach that the thought could salvage the investment that he made in Young after that dreadful Year 1. My problem would be if Tepper is telling them that Young "MUST BE" the starter and don't add any QBs to the roster that could outplay him.

To his credit, I do think Young is performed better under Canales than he did  was under Frank Reich. But, Young has limitations that will prevent him from taking a team to the next level. It is what it is. Dalton needs to be released or demoted to 3rd string at best. If Young is coming back for year 4 then another QB should be added who has a legitimate opportunity to compete for the starting job...and it needs to be someone who clicks with Canales and Morgan.

DC built the offense Young could run but it's too limited and relies on a effective run game and/or a poor opponent. 

Where I disagree is that DC and DM being held hostage to what they signed up for equaling getting a chance to prove it's not them but the Teppers. They absolutely could have snuck a better QB into the mix vs resigning Dalton. If they couldn't have done even that then the next QB won't be their's either. Lots of debate on both but 'the guy they chose and belive in' is a dead end already since they are operating in the space they were hired to operate in while not being able to find anyone better than Dalton. Either by choice, having zero choice in the matter or by personal faults. None of those should equal go save us at QB IMO

[Waldo]

2 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I wasn't disagreeing with what you were saying. I totally agree with it. I went back and looked up my initial response to re-signing Dalton and it was just what I thought. I hated it because we needed to do better than Dalton. This has all along felt like a quest by Tepper to prove himself as smart as all the Mel Kiper Jrs and smarter than all the football guys who said Bryce wouldn't translate to the NFL game. Our biggest problem isnt Bryce, DC, Evero or DM. It's Tepper's giant fugging ego. 

I completely agree and thanks for thr clarification.

Everything about this build feels that way and is a big part of me wanting this build to end...even when I know he is goibg to mess up the next build too.  

[jb2288]

Is Bryce practicing today?