Vet QB Options - Trade/Cut/FA Edition

[PNW_PantherMan]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

I think Richardson was the most egregious in recent memory. He was so clearly nowhere near an NFL caliber QB. I will never understand how anyone could be fooled by that guy.

That's true.  You could at least pretend that Trey Lance would have done well at the highest level of college football.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

His career 1.06 INT's a game would suggest otherwise. 5 dumb passes a game is very kind. TBH, it's probably closer to 15-20% of his overall passes are dumb or ill advised. It's just who he is.

I still don't agree with this philosophy. The "I THROW BALL COACH! I DO GOOD!" QB's are just not what I view as a long term solution nor a winning strategy. I can understand the want to move on from whatever Bryce is doing, believe me, I am in complete agreement on that.

I just don't view a potential increase in TO's to be worth the trouble. Also, I don't think this Canales offense is one that guys like Winston/Howell are really going to shine the best way that they can.

Doesn't have to be a long-term solution. Just had to be better than Bryce. I don't think we've really seen Canales' offense yet. This isn't what he ran in Tampa. I think Canales wants to threaten defenses vertically we just don't have a QB that can do it.

[PNW_PantherMan]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Doesn't have to be a long-term solution. Just had to be better than Bryce. I don't think we've really seen Canales' offense yet. This isn't what he ran in Tampa. I think Canales wants to threaten defenses vertically we just don't have a QB that can do it.

Its not what they did in Seattle either. 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Its not what they did in Seattle either. 

Hell, it's not what he did here when Bryce missed games his rookie year and old but not yet completely washed Dalton took the field.

[PNW_PantherMan]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Hell, it's not what he did here when Bryce missed games his rookie year and old but not yet completely washed Dalton took the field.

That was Frank the tank though.  I don't know that DC wants to change his offense when another QB comes in.  He probably needs an offseason.  I think this thing is cooked up for what we have at QB and not what we want.

[kungfoodude]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Doesn't have to be a long-term solution. Just had to be better than Bryce. I don't think we've really seen Canales' offense yet. This isn't what he ran in Tampa. I think Canales wants to threaten defenses vertically we just don't have a QB that can do it.

I don't really think they will functionally be better than Bryce. Especially in this offense.

Baker's IAY/PA were 8.5 in 2023. Bryce is at 8.6 in 2024 and 6.5 in 2025. Dalton is at 6.7 in 2024 and 9.5 in 2025. 

So those numbers don't seem to indicate on the average that the targets are much deeper. I can take a look at 20+ passes/GM, if you want.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, PNW_PantherMan said:

That was Frank the tank though.  I don't know that DC wants to change his offense when another QB comes in.  He probably needs an offseason.  I think this thing is cooked up for what we have at QB and not what we want.

Ah yes, my bad. It's easy to forget those handful of games Frank coached. LOL 

[kungfoodude]

Per NFL NGS(can only gather data on the QB with the most snaps, so there will be a very small variance) for 20+ yard targets per game:

Baker(2023): 4

Dalton(2024-2025): 2.3

Young(2024-2025): 3

So there is a modest improvement from Young to Baker. Not sure one more target a game is what everyone is looking for. I didn't compare over success rate(I can do that, if desired). I would imagine that could change the difference quite a bit but, again, that's more on the QB and not so much the offense.

I still believe this IS the offense.

[Gapanthersfan]

I’d take Mac Jones all day. Trade BY and a 4th for Jones. He has overall played solid football this year but thrown more picks than I’d like to see. Mac would be a gigantic upgrade over what we have now. 

[strato]

16 hours ago, CmC2k said:

Derek Carr coming out of his 1-year retirement is my Darkhorse candidate.

Although I feel like a move for a QB worth anything is highly unlikely as Bryce is well liked and viewed as the teams unquestioned starter by his teammates. 

We will probably see Mike White resigned and another JAG veteran backup brought in the replace Andy Dalton. 

 

 

He was an option in 2023 that we rejected to trade the farm for the magic beans, if I remember right. 
 

[strato]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

Per NFL NGS(can only gather data on the QB with the most snaps, so there will be a very small variance) for 20+ yard targets per game:

Baker(2023): 4

Dalton(2024-2025): 2.3

Young(2024-2025): 3

So there is a modest improvement from Young to Baker. Not sure one more target a game is what everyone is looking for. I didn't compare over success rate(I can do that, if desired). I would imagine that could change the difference quite a bit but, again, that's more on the QB and not so much the offense.

I still believe this IS the offense.

I don’t understand the point of Mayfield 2023. 
what was he in 2024 and this year? Although losing Evans might cut this year back a little. 
(scratch that 2023, I was off a year). 
 

Two things, something like 1.5, give or take, more per game gives you in the range of 22-28 more over a season. Even 1 is 17 more shots. 
And if you are successful on one or two of your three, you have established the threat as real, and can operate the near field more freely. Which besides the chance at a quick score, is the point of doing it. 
 

Edited 23 minutes ago by strato

[PleaseCutStewart]

2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

His career 1.06 INT's a game would suggest otherwise. 5 dumb passes a game is very kind. TBH, it's probably closer to 15-20% of his overall passes are dumb or ill advised. It's just who he is.

Fair point. I do think he did very well the 1st half of that one year he started for the Saints when they ran a run/playaction pass type offense, which could fit in with our current style of offense. I still think Winston is capable of making any NFL caliber throw, which you won't see from any of the bottom half QBs. Dude just doesn't make smart decisions when the 1st read isn't open