XL is a bust

[Swaggasaurus]

Oh wee mayne

[Mr. Scot]

Bottom line for me on this topic...

I think the Panthers basically drafted Legette's body without fully taking into consideration that his brain came with it.

That's just not a good way to draft...

Edited 1 hour ago by Mr. Scot

[LinvilleGorge]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Bottom line for me on this topic...

I think the Panthers basically drafted Legette's body without fully taking into consideration that his brain came with it.

That's just not a good way to draft...

Happens in every draft. Guys that look like Tarzan and play like Jane get over drafted every year and always will.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Happens in every draft. Guys that look like Tarzan and play like Jane get over drafted every year and always will.

We've done that more than once.

I'd insert a memory of JC Price here but his name is about the only thing I genuinely remember about him 

Edited 1 hour ago by Mr. Scot

[LinvilleGorge]

31 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

XL had no NFL future before his super senior season.  He scored a pretty nice payday off getting picked in the 1st round.  Even if its the last pick.  I don't think he cared at all what happened after that point.

Literally none. Like might not have even gotten UDFA tryout invites before getting that extra year.

He had 423 career receiving yards over four seasons coming into that super senior season afforded him due to COVID. What an absolute financial lifeline that proved to be for him. Good for him, glad he made the most of it. I just wish someone else would've taken the bait in the draft.

[PNW_PantherMan]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Literally none. Like might not have even gotten UDFA invites before getting that extra year.

He had 423 career receiving yards over four seasons coming into that super senior season afforded him due to COVID. What an absolute financial lifeline that proved to be for him. Good for him, glad he made the most of it. I just wish someone else would've taken the bait in the draft.

Back in my day, guys like that went on day 3 or not at all.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

We've done that more than once.

I'd insert a memory of JC Price here but his name is about the only thing I genuinely remember about him 

Every team has. The NFL will take chances on guys who have all the raw talent. Every coach worth his salt thinks he's the guy who will be able to break through to this guy and make him into the player he could potentially be if everything clicked. It just rarely plays out like that.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, PNW_PantherMan said:

Back in my day, guys like that went on day 3 or not at all.

Not at all. If you have those types of receiving numbers (XL's first four seasons that should've been his entire college career minus COVID) you better be an incredible returner if you have any chance to get drafted. XL wasn't really an impact return man.

These are begging for a shot as a UDFA numbers

The only thing that might have gotten XL a shot were his workout numbers. That's it. Prior to that super senior year he's the type of guy who might've been able to land a wildcard UDFA shot and probably released in the first or second roster cut downs never to be heard of in the NFL again.

[TD alt]

32 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

If you're not giving it your all In your current situation, why should I trust you to give your best efforts in a different one?

I am referencing McMillan, but even he--anyone--can get very discouraged working with someone who isn't doing their job. If you're trying to be a team and have (for lack of a nicer word) a bum day in and day out affecting your work, and maybe even affecting it profoundly, at some point you're likely to just say, "fug it, it is what it is," and wonder what the damned point is. "Why am I working my ass off trying to carry this dude? No one really appreciates it. He's making me look bad..." 

Now I'm not saying it's right, and I'm not even saying that there aren't the types that will keep on pressing on, regardless, but what I am saying is that it's not exactly human nature to keep giving it your all in a totally fuged up situation. 

In regards to X, I can't---I'm talking me personally---get 100 percent mad at him or call him an absolute bust or lost cause, because of sub par play that isn't even in the neighborhood of actually meeting his strengths. Now I have been a little out on watching all the film I can (not that I have beaucoup access) just from being..."out," but if you listened to Chris Lea on the vid, he emphasized that X is getting open "a lot," intimating of course that Bryce isn't getting the ball to him. I've also seen another vid about how Bryce seems to be locking on to T-Mac (or the check-down option). Assuming these guys are right, then anyone should be able to understand why Legette is discouraged, even if they don't agree with how he's reacting to it. 

All that being said, again, even old dogs get tired. Until we get a new QB, it's a little rich to be giving up on our skill position players. I have noticed that there have been disagreements about ball placement, effort, and whether a ball was catchable a lot by Huddlers, and all I have to say is that this shouldn't be well into Bryce Young's third year. We seem to be nitpicking and disagreeing about things of that nature, and it all comes down to the QB being the wrong answer for this offense. 

[PNW_PantherMan]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Not at all. If you have those types of receiving numbers (XL's first four seasons that should've been his entire college career minus COVID) you better be an incredible returner if you have any chance to get drafted. XL wasn't really an impact return man.

These are begging for a shot as a UDFA numbers

The only thing that might have gotten XL a shot were his workout numbers. That's it. Prior to that super senior year he's the type of guy who might've been able to land a wildcard UDFA shot and probably released in the first or second roster cut downs never to be heard of in the NFL again.

This got Drew Carter picked in the 5th round.  

[Mr. Scot]

16 minutes ago, TD alt said:

I am referencing McMillan, but even he--anyone--can get very discouraged working with someone who isn't doing their job. If you're trying to be a team and have (for lack of a nicer word) a bum day in and day out affecting your work, and maybe even affecting it profoundly, at some point you're likely to just say, "fug it, it is what it is," and wonder what the damned point is. "Why am I working my ass off trying to carry this dude? No one really appreciates it. He's making me look bad..." 

Now I'm not saying it's right, and I'm not even saying that there aren't the types that will keep on pressing on, regardless, but what I am saying is that it's not exactly human nature to keep giving it your all in a totally fuged up situation. 

In regards to X, I can't---I'm talking me personally---get 100 percent mad at him or call him an absolute bust or lost cause, because of sub par play that isn't even in the neighborhood of actually meeting his strengths. Now I have been a little out on watching all the film I can (not that I have beaucoup access) just from being..."out," but if you listened to Chris Lea on the vid, he emphasized that X is getting open "a lot," intimating of course that Bryce isn't getting the ball to him. I've also seen another vid about how Bryce seems to be locking on to T-Mac (or the check-down option). Assuming these guys are right, then anyone should be able to understand why Legette is discouraged, even if they don't agree with how he's reacting to it. 

All that being said, again, even old dogs get tired. Until we get a new QB, it's a little rich to be giving up on our skill position players. I have noticed that there have been disagreements about ball placement, effort, and whether a ball was catchable a lot by Huddlers, and all I have to say is that this shouldn't be well into Bryce Young's third year. We seem to be nitpicking and disagreeing about things of that nature, and it all comes down to the QB being the wrong answer for this offense. 

I'm not willing to shift blame for any individual player's sh-tty performance to a separate individual player.

That kind of behavior doesn't come from some outside contagion. It starts within.

If anything, he should be making more of an effort to play well to compensate for problems at the QB spot.

Regardless of Bryce, Legette has to own his own work.

[PadresPanthersFan]

29 minutes ago, TD alt said:

I am referencing McMillan, but even he--anyone--can get very discouraged working with someone who isn't doing their job. If you're trying to be a team and have (for lack of a nicer word) a bum day in and day out affecting your work, and maybe even affecting it profoundly, at some point you're likely to just say, "fug it, it is what it is," and wonder what the damned point is. "Why am I working my ass off trying to carry this dude? No one really appreciates it. He's making me look bad..." 

Now I'm not saying it's right, and I'm not even saying that there aren't the types that will keep on pressing on, regardless, but what I am saying is that it's not exactly human nature to keep giving it your all in a totally fuged up situation. 

In regards to X, I can't---I'm talking me personally---get 100 percent mad at him or call him an absolute bust or lost cause, because of sub par play that isn't even in the neighborhood of actually meeting his strengths. Now I have been a little out on watching all the film I can (not that I have beaucoup access) just from being..."out," but if you listened to Chris Lea on the vid, he emphasized that X is getting open "a lot," intimating of course that Bryce isn't getting the ball to him. I've also seen another vid about how Bryce seems to be locking on to T-Mac (or the check-down option). Assuming these guys are right, then anyone should be able to understand why Legette is discouraged, even if they don't agree with how he's reacting to it. 

All that being said, again, even old dogs get tired. Until we get a new QB, it's a little rich to be giving up on our skill position players. I have noticed that there have been disagreements about ball placement, effort, and whether a ball was catchable a lot by Huddlers, and all I have to say is that this shouldn't be well into Bryce Young's third year. We seem to be nitpicking and disagreeing about things of that nature, and it all comes down to the QB being the wrong answer for this offense. 

It's kind of funny. For awhile it was poor Bryce he has no weapons.  Now it's poor weapons they have no qb

[TD alt]

28 minutes ago, PadresPanthersFan said:

It's kind of funny. For awhile it was poor Bryce he has no weapons.  Now it's poor weapons they have no qb

Both can actually be true depending on style of play. My thing is, Bryce is not maximizing the skills of the players that we have. They could be so much more. I'm willing to bet that this will become apparent once circumstances change.