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2 hours ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

If I was Canales and /or Morgan that would be my plan. Let Bryce play out and pull as many wins out of your ass as you can to keep your job. Then you can frame “ a QB away” argument and make it obvious he’s holding you back.

If they can't see he is killing this team, then all hope is gone 

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14 minutes ago, fanpanther said:

would actually be entertaining for the panthers to sign random fa qbs let them try a sunday out just to c some no name guys get a shot. kyle trask would be my choice of random guys ti give a shot

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  • Nate Sudfeld
  • Taylor Heinicke
  • Tim Boyle
  • Desmond Ridder
  • Mike White
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6 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

 

Totally fair points, but I think it's being overlooked that the locker room seems to genuinely like and believe in Bryce.

You sign a guy off the street and bench Bryce for them, you're going to lose the locker room in an instant and it will cause much bigger problems moving forward than just putting up with Bryce the rest of the year.

And yes, that would be way better for T-Mac's production, but as I've said all year long, while I want to see T-Mac succeed, I'm not rooting for that over the team itself and in particular, our long term outlook.

So like I said above, I think that would be great for T-Mac's production, but terrible for the overall locker room and team morale, which would lead into an ugly offseason.  You just have to let Bryce finish out the year as it's what will keep the players engaged and caring, benching their guy is a good way to get players to quit and/or just be pissed at the organization.

If this is in Week 3 or something, it's a different scenario, but there are only 7 games left in the season, we're pot committed and just need to play out our hand at this point.

You mean lose them more than they already have? 

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1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

You mean lose them more than they already have? 

The fans have given up, but I do not think the players have.

Just winning 3 of 4 leading into this game, and then players accepting responsibility and not excusing away the terrible game has shown the locker room hasn't been lost.  This is the latest into the season our locker room hasn't been lost since the Wilks season, and then it was lost early due to Rhule and then re-gained late in the season.

It's actually the one thing I like about Canales, that he seems to have forced a complete 180 in our locker room culture in his almost 2 years in charge here now.  That's still not good enough for me to want us to bring him back next year, as I think he's pretty bad in most other aspects of the job, but it was still something badly needed for this franchise.

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2 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

Sign Taylor Heinicke, and start the shlow transfer of Bryce to the coaching staff. If he really in truly has a computer brain (just can't do it on the field), maybe he could call a decent game one day.

It's Heinicke I would be after or maybe Ridder. Middling, low end game managers but still should be a step up. If not....on to the next.

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1 minute ago, tukafan21 said:

The fans have given up, but I do not think the players have.

Just winning 3 of 4 leading into this game, and then players accepting responsibility and not excusing away the terrible game has shown the locker room hasn't been lost.  This is the latest into the season our locker room hasn't been lost since the Wilks season, and then it was lost early due to Rhule and then re-gained late in the season.

It's actually the one thing I like about Canales, that he seems to have forced a complete 180 in our locker room culture in his almost 2 years in charge here now.  That's still not good enough for me to want us to bring him back next year, as I think he's pretty bad in most other aspects of the job, but it was still something badly needed for this franchise.

I think you can see cracks in the facade of the offense. Carrying Bryce will weigh on them, no matter how much they may like him. They aren't stupid.

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3 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

Sign Taylor Heinicke, and start the shlow transfer of Bryce to the coaching staff. If he really in truly has a computer brain (just can't do it on the field), maybe he could call a decent game one day.

Another reason I don't like these ideas, is that I'm 100% sold on Canales NOT being a good HC and someone we should keep around.

Bring in a scrub off the street and Canales is able to turn in one or two great late season performances, and you're staring at exactly the type of thing Tepper would need to be convinced to give him one more season next year.  How do I know this?  Because it's EXACTLY what happened last year to have Bryce brought back for this terrible season.

It's time to move on and turn the page from the Bryce and Canales era, just ride it out this year and start fresh next year.

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Just now, kungfoodude said:

I think you can see cracks in the facade of the offense. Carrying Bryce will weigh on them, no matter how much they may like him. They aren't stupid.

I'm not denying that.

But we're not talking about bringing in some elite level QB to replace him this year, we're talking about bringing in a guy off the street who can't stay on a roster.

That's not really going to help this team much, if at all.  Do you really think doing that to a QB they like is going to not piss them off?

I get it, damned if you do, damned if you don't.  But I think you'd lose the locker room significantly faster by benching the guy they like for a scrub off the street they don't know.  They'd rather just play out the year with their brother and then start fresh the next year than still getting our asses kicked with a guy they don't know under Center.

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You can Canales and you break any continuity, again. 
It is worth waiting a year too long, to try and keep that IMO. 
Especially when all he has been ‘given’ to work with is a bust that most people knew was busting no matter what.

I don’t believe any coach can transform a player that is physically overwhelmed. And Bryce is physically overwhelmed. 

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8 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

I'm not denying that.

But we're not talking about bringing in some elite level QB to replace him this year, we're talking about bringing in a guy off the street who can't stay on a roster.

That's not really going to help this team much, if at all.  Do you really think doing that to a QB they like is going to not piss them off?

I get it, damned if you do, damned if you don't.  But I think you'd lose the locker room significantly faster by benching the guy they like for a scrub off the street they don't know.  They'd rather just play out the year with their brother and then start fresh the next year than still getting our asses kicked with a guy they don't know under Center.

I think they should see value in trying to win. Continuing with Bryce is the opposite of that. 

4 minutes ago, strato said:

You can Canales and you break any continuity, again. 
It is worth waiting a year too long, to try and keep that IMO. 
Especially when all he has been ‘given’ to work with is a bust that most people knew was busting no matter what.

I don’t believe any coach can transform a player that is physically overwhelmed. And Bryce is physically overwhelmed. 

If Canales still believes in Bryce, he can leave with him, IMO.

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5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I think they should see value in trying to win. Continuing with Bryce is the opposite of that. 

If Canales still believes in Bryce, he can leave with him, IMO.

I’ll concede that. That is sort of my red line. Any pro coach, evaluator, etc, that believed in that guy is blind afaic. 
But in Canales’ position, the player needs to believe that Canales is with him. Whether Canales himself believes or not.  

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