What a franchise QB looks like

[CanadianCat]

4 minutes ago, strato said:

That is how I remember it too. It was similar to how people portray Bryce in 2026 without his option picked up. I mean people didn’t think it was gonna be peaches and cream with Cam on an expiring contract, same as they are predicting for Bryce. 
 

IIRC the impression I got was Cam was not gonna be happy and if Cam ain’t happy nobody’s happy, to borrow a cliché from mama.

It isn’t like Bryce because Bryce is the same Bryce, but Cam was not the same Cam. You cannot overlook that but I felt like his attitude was he expected the team to do business as usual.
Not to acknowledge the fact that he was physically different and have that reflected in a new valuation. 

Which I don’t know how that was supposed to work out..

Agree 100%

Cam was a superstar that wasn't ready to acknowledge that he was no longer that. I don't even blame him for that. Cam could at least say he deserved to get paid cause of who he was. But glad the team didn't resign him.

[CanadianCat]

12 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

Hell we drafted another one first overall who cant throw the ball,at least Cam was a threat to run...

 

No one is making the argument that Cam was a better QB in every aspect than BY. 

BY's super power was supposed to be his decision making... and we can see how that has played out.. 

[CanadianCat]

12 minutes ago, Jackson113.2 said:

His stats for the Patriots 2020 look better that your boy Bryce this year, so shut the fug up about not being able to throw...

Dude.. that doesn't look far off.. 

And sure, Cam looks like he threw for slightly more yards.. if you watched him you could see him arm was broken... you cannot sign him to a new record breaking contract with that. 

 

[strato]

11 minutes ago, CanadianCat said:

Agree 100%

Cam was a superstar that wasn't ready to acknowledge that he was no longer that. I don't even blame him for that. Cam could at least say he deserved to get paid cause of who he was. But glad the team didn't resign him.

At top pay scale, me too. I thought there was a way he could have  made it work with his diminished physical tools but he would have needed to accept that he should probably be in a lower tier, contract wise. 
His ego. Tepper’s ego, the agent in the middle… didn’t work. 

Edited 2 hours ago by strato

[strato]

And I forgot the upcoming Rhule factor, 2020. He did not want to deal with Cam I don’t think. 

[AggieLean]

Cam was going to play out his final year on his deal. He’s said such.

[MHS831]

2 hours ago, Jackson113.2 said:

We had a Franchise Qb, once, but people got mad that he put a towel over his head every now and then. I beginning to believe this fan base doesn't deserve a Franchise Qb.

He had some maturity issues early and would pout.  He outgrew them.  A frachise QB is a franchise QB at all times---so those criticisms were justified.  It is not to equate that to wanting Bryce tarred and feathered, however.  It is OK to criticize when you see a flaw or fault, but on the other hand, you better praise the good.  My concern about Cam was Rivera.  He sacrificed Cam, in my view, by having him run a lot.  Cam kept RR employed.  Cam could have been frustrated with his situation and nothing more.  But having met Cam, I can say there are few if any people like him.  He is/was genuine.  He cared about the people who cared for him. 

 

[MHS831]

I keep saying it--if he ain't an Alpha, he ain't a franchise QB.  Discuss.  When I think of Alphas, I think of Allen, Mahommes, Rogers, Hurts, Baker, Burrow, and Jackson.  They make everyone around them better-not all are the best QB in terms of talent or skill set, but the voice in the huddle 10 seconds before the snap is important.  It gives the team confidence and hope.  

Edited 1 hour ago by MHS831

[LinvilleGorge]

2 hours ago, CanadianCat said:

Just fug off with that.. 

Cam at the beginning of his career dealt poorly with hardships. I dont think thats a big issue saying.  

He hated losing. Ever seen a Brady post-loss presser? Jordan? Kobe?

I want more players who hate losing. 

[ColumbusCounty]

2 hours ago, CanadianCat said:

People forget that it was reported HE WAS NOT GOING TO PLAY OUT HIS DEAL.. and he wanted a new deal. 

So the decision is, pay him a new top of the league contract for a QB with a busted arm.. or let him go.

...It was time to let him go. 

I never heard of this. Iirc he said something during his training about he's willing to play but still wanted more of a commitment from the FO. 

 

[Jackson113.2]

Tepper's MO

1.Strong independent Cam or less talented yes man Bridgewater ( who was let go when questioning Rhule)

2. Strong independent Steve Wilkes or White guy yes man Riech ( who was let go after questioning front office)

3. Strong independent Bryan Burns ( gone)

4. Between CJ and Bryce you knew who was more independent and who was a meek less talented yes man child.

Tepper doesn't like Strong independent people,  maybe he's low key the " r" word who knows? Look at his track record. 

The Panthers will never have an Apha  dog here as long as Tepper is here.  Face the facts and past decisions. 

[strato]

1 hour ago, AggieLean said:

Cam was going to play out his final year on his deal. He’s said such.

Okay. Should have let that happen instead of Bridgewater. I bet Rhule didn’t want to deal with it. 

Edited 40 minutes ago by strato

[Jackson113.2]

Someone like Steve Smith wouldn't have last half a season under Tepper.

[strato]

32 minutes ago, Jackson113.2 said:

Tepper's MO

1.Strong independent Cam or less talented yes man Bridgewater ( who was let go when questioning Rhule)

2. Strong independent Steve Wilkes or White guy yes man Riech ( who was let go after questioning front office)

3. Strong independent Bryan Burns ( gone)

4. Between CJ and Bryce you knew who was more independent and who was a meek less talented yes man child.

Tepper doesn't like Strong independent people,  maybe he's low key the " r" word who knows? Look at his track record. 

The Panthers will never have an Apha  dog here as long as Tepper is here.  Face the facts and past decisions. 

I think the racist stuff is barking up the wrong tree with Tepper. He is all woke and stuff. Not that liberal white people can’t be racists they are in their way pretty racist.  Or can be, 
I for sure agree about the yes man aspect and particularly apply that to Wilks. 

I didn’t understand the Rhule hiring at all. Did not want. But down the line with Wilks, zi personally wanted him, and personally did not see the racism being a factor in the Reich hiring as much as the fixation with offensive minded play callers and copying that trendy model. 

I am having a hard time calling to mind any Black coaches who were out there with the big offensive rep. At one time Byron Leftwich was a hot name who I liked. Don’t remember what happened there but he faded. Bienemy but I never believed in him much, personally.

 I think Tepper basically excluded defensive guys and went for the top rated play caller OC types. And couldn’t get Ben Johnson and ended up settling with Reich. 
Who ended up NOT being a yes man at all. 

Edited 24 minutes ago by strato