First 4 NFL starts - Tyler Shough

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, frankw said:

I cannot believe I just saw someone say the Saints have a better supporting cast around their QB.

Bye week brain rot is real.

So just to be clear, you'd take JT Sanders, Xavier Legette, banged up Austin Corbett, banged up Taylor Moton, banged up Rico Dowdle and whatever third stringer is starting at center this week over Juwan Johnson, Mason Tipton, Cesar Ruiz, Taliwse Fuaga, Alvin Kamara and Luke Fortner? 

You sure you wanna stick with that story?

(especially after our last game against them)

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, Sup said:

The only way Kamara would win over Chuba and Rico would be based on name recognition and how he played several years ago. Which to be honest feels like what you're doing here.

Or maybe by who's healthy at the moment...

(that kinda matters)

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

They should absolutely pass and go BPA.  This years class doesn’t look great.  At most take another guy on day 3.

I'd want an insurance policy 

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, Jmac said:

How the fug did he beat us......

Canales played a pretty big role in that. 

(Jaycee Horn falling down a couple of times did too)

[Mr. Scot]

22 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, that’s sort of the point.  We all know the Skip logic was garbage and that’s why Tim is on TV.  Yet here we are….acting like Brycemania is something different 

Brycemania...yeah, sure

Hell, if I thought we could win every game by bringing back Chris Weinke and going wildcat all the time, I'd order a #16 jersey right now.

I like winning. I don't really give a sh-t how it happens.

Edited 22 hours ago by Mr. Scot

[mrcompletely11]

18 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Or maybe by who's healthy at the moment...

(that kinda matters)

Nevermind you are just trolling 

Edited 22 hours ago by mrcompletely11

[CRA]

21 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Brycemania...yeah, sure

Hell, if I thought we could win every game by bringing back Chris Weinke and going wildcat all the time, I'd order a #16 jersey right now.

I like winning. I don't really give a sh-t how it happens.

Bryce logic is just The Golden Calf of Bristol logic boss.  It’s the same Skip Bayless argument 

doesn’t matter he isn’t very good.   Doesn’t matter he is why they are so often down.   Doesn’t matter he doesn’t really generate offense.  We got some really odd ball wins and there are some are some random late plays…it’s just a repackaged Tebowmania argument.  But more bland.  It’s a run game and D carrying the QB…..and wanting to over credit the QB

[Mr. Scot]

21 minutes ago, CRA said:

Bryce logic is just The Golden Calf of Bristol logic boss.  It’s the same Skip Bayless argument 

doesn’t matter he isn’t very good.   Doesn’t matter he is why they are so often down.   Doesn’t matter he doesn’t really generate offense.  We got some really odd ball wins and there are some are some random late plays…it’s just a repackaged Tebowmania argument.  But more bland.  It’s a run game and D carrying the QB…..and wanting to over credit the QB

Or undercredit him...

See, here's the thing... 

Bryce isn't good enough. He doesn't have to be the worst in the league or in history or even this season to not be good enough. He just has to be, right now...not good enough. 

Yet somehow, it isn't enough to just say that.

When someone saya he's not good enough but dismisses the hyperbole, your response is to devote significant effort to basically argue "Nuh uh! He is so the worst ever! And if you don't believe that well then you're just a Bryce atan engaging in Brycemania!"

This is what For Jimmy was calling out, and he's right. It's like trying to debate complicated philosophy with an emotional child

And yes, it's obsessive behavior. 

Edited 21 hours ago by Mr. Scot

[TN05]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Or undercredit him...

See, here's the thing... 

Bryce isn't good enough. He doesn't have to be the worst in the league or in history or even this season to not be good enough. He just has to be, right now...not good enough. 

Yet somehow, it isn't enough to just say that.

When someone saya he's not good enough but dismisses the hyperbole, your response is to devote significant effort to basically argue "Nuh uh! He is so the worst ever! And if you don't believe that well then you're just a Bryce atan engaging in Brycemania!"

This is what For Jimmy was calling out, and he's right. It's like trying to debate complicated philosophy with an emotional child

And yes, it's obsessive behavior. 

What's obsessive is that he looks at a QB who is, objectively, performing worse by most meaningful metrics and is convinced he is playing better, solely because he has 8 more passing yards per game (despite a 2-4 record and a 1:1 turnover/TD ratio).

[Mr. Scot]

33 minutes ago, TN05 said:

What's obsessive is that he looks at a QB who is, objectively, performing worse by most meaningful metrics and is convinced he is playing better, solely because he has 8 more passing yards per game (despite a 2-4 record and a 1:1 turnover/TD ratio).

Fair point...

[frankw]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

So just to be clear, you'd take JT Sanders, Xavier Legette, banged up Austin Corbett, banged up Taylor Moton, banged up Rico Dowdle and whatever third stringer is starting at center this week over Juwan Johnson, Mason Tipton, Cesar Ruiz, Taliwse Fuaga, Alvin Kamara and Luke Fortner? 

You sure you wanna stick with that story?

(especially after our last game against them)

The notion that we have inferior weapons has been disproven multiple times this season. We have a young and raw group but they are no doubt talented. I like their potential. The Saints before beating us in BOA had one win on the season. We do not have an inferior roster to them. There is absolutely no excuse to lose to that team.

[Mr. Scot]

49 minutes ago, frankw said:

The notion that we have inferior weapons has been disproven multiple times this season. We have a young and raw group but they are no doubt talented. I like their potential. The Saints before beating us in BOA had one win on the season. We do not have an inferior roster to them. There is absolutely no excuse to lose to that team.

I'll rehash / summarize the breakdown I gave earlier.

McMillan vs Olave: probably a push (could become an advantage as soon as next season, but not just yet)

Legette vs Pretty Much Anybody: Yeah, that's a loss, arguably a big one.

Jalen Coker vs Dante Pettis: Probably a push if I'm being objective. I'd take Coker but I can't say people outside the Panthers fanbase would.

Our TE by Committee vs Juwan Johnson: Another loss

Hubbard or Dowdle individually vs Kamara: Again, probably a push if I'm objective. Kamara might not be as durable as he used to but our guys are younger and neither of them made it through a full season healthy this year either.

Hubbard / Dowdle as a combo vs Kamara and his backup: This could be an advantage (would be our first if it were) but only if Dowdle were at full strength and I don't think he is yet.

Whoever's Playing Center This Week vs Fortner: Yeah, loss. Puts us down by three at this point.

Our Left Side (Lewis, Ickey) vs Their Left Side (Radunz, Banks): This is the first comparison where I feel confused giving us the advantage, but it's not a blowout win, and not enough to put us ahead, especially when you move to... 

Our Right Side (Moton, Corbett?) vs Their Right Side (Ruiz, Fuaga): At full strength, we win. Sadly we're not at full strength and haven't been all year. So again, loss.i

FINAL SCORE:

- 1 win
- 4 losses
- 3 even

We lose by three.

If you disagree on these, show me where and why.

Edited 19 hours ago by Mr. Scot

[CRA]

30 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'll rehash / summarize the breakdown I gave earlier.

McMillan vs Olave: probably a push (could become an advantage as soon as next season, but not just yet)

Legette vs Pretty Much Anybody: Yeah, that's a loss, arguably a big one.

Jalen Coker vs Dante Pettis: Probably a push if I'm being objective. I'd take Coker but I can't say people outside the Panthers fanbase would.

Our TE by Committee vs Juwan Johnson: Another loss

Hubbard or Dowdle individually vs Kamara: Again, probably a push if I'm objective. Kamara might not be as durable as he used to but our guys are younger and neither of them made it through a full season healthy this year either.

Hubbard / Dowdle as a combo vs Kamara and his backup: This could be an advantage (would be our first if it were) but only if Dowdle were at full strength and I don't think he is yet.

Whoever's Playing Center This Week vs Fortner: Yeah, loss. Puts us down by three at this point.

Our Left Side (Lewis, Ickey) vs Their Left Side (Radunz, Banks): This is the first comparison where I feel confused giving us the advantage, but it's not a blowout win, and not enough to put us ahead, especially when you move to... 

Our Right Side (Moton, Corbett?) vs Their Right Side (Ruiz, Fuaga): At full strength, we win. Sadly we're not at full strength and haven't been all year. So again, loss.i

FINAL SCORE:

- 1 win
- 4 losses
- 3 even

We lose by three.

If you disagree on these, show me where and why.

As you attempt to lose people in your lengthy posting….remember your initial disagreement was our RBs aren’t better.  And that’s a reference to our skills position players in the backfield.  We are just flat out better there.  And you are for some reason trying to manifest Rico into this injured player while trying to elevate a clearly down Kamara via some hot tub machine 

point remains, ask legit NFL fans if they would rather have the Panthers backfield in 2025 or the Saints.  It’s easily Carolina.  As most NFL fans arent playing gymnastics to try paint Bryce in a worse position than Shough.   

one team has a good rushing attack and on has weak rushing attack.   You can type 8,000 words and it won’t change that. 

 

[mav1234]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'll rehash / summarize the breakdown I gave earlier.

McMillan vs Olave: probably a push (could become an advantage as soon as next season, but not just yet)

Legette vs Pretty Much Anybody: Yeah, that's a loss, arguably a big one.

Jalen Coker vs Dante Pettis: Probably a push if I'm being objective. I'd take Coker but I can't say people outside the Panthers fanbase would.

Our TE by Committee vs Juwan Johnson: Another loss

Hubbard or Dowdle individually vs Kamara: Again, probably a push if I'm objective. Kamara might not be as durable as he used to but our guys are younger and neither of them made it through a full season healthy this year either.

Hubbard / Dowdle as a combo vs Kamara and his backup: This could be an advantage (would be our first if it were) but only if Dowdle were at full strength and I don't think he is yet.

Whoever's Playing Center This Week vs Fortner: Yeah, loss. Puts us down by three at this point.

Our Left Side (Lewis, Ickey) vs Their Left Side (Radunz, Banks): This is the first comparison where I feel confused giving us the advantage, but it's not a blowout win, and not enough to put us ahead, especially when you move to... 

Our Right Side (Moton, Corbett?) vs Their Right Side (Ruiz, Fuaga): At full strength, we win. Sadly we're not at full strength and haven't been all year. So again, loss.i

FINAL SCORE:

- 1 win
- 4 losses
- 3 even

We lose by three.

If you disagree on these, show me where and why.

Kamara isn't good this year. He isn't averaging even 4 ypc. 

Dante Pettis has one reception this year.

TMac has more yards. More TDs. higher YPA. More YAc than Olave.