Go after Shedeur this offseason.

[CRA]

Just now, Car123 said:

So you’re saying Shough, the kid in Minnesota, Geno, Tua, Purdy, Stroud, Trevor Lawerence, Tyrod, Sanders, Cam Ward, are better than Bryce Young this season?

as I said, you aren't actually reading the posts you are replying to at this stage.   Maybe read that post again, where it articulates Bryce is not LITERALLY the worst QB in the NFL today....and how he gets the title of league worst over the last 3 seasons/since being drafted. 

 

[LinvilleGorge]

18 minutes ago, Car123 said:

He’s in the 18-23 range with a chance to move higher depending on how he finishes the season.

Name me 9-14 guys who went into the season as planned starters that you'd say Bryce is clearly better than.

[Mage]

26 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm pretty sure Shedeur is gonna be a flash in the pan but I'm also pretty sure that if he continues to play decently that he's not gonna be avaliable anyway. And if he is made available yeah, it could be the Browns doing Browns things again but it would be a pretty big red flag. Organizations just don't part with QBs who have shown much of anything after only a rookie season. You're talking about a potential valuable asset on a bottom of the barrel contract. 

I don't think they trade him either, but they are stuck with Deshaun Watson for another season and as bad as he is, he makes so much money that the Browns will feel obligated to start him.  So for that reason I could see Shedeur being traded, especially if he makes a stink about it if he feels his performance has warranted an opportunity to start.

[kungfoodude]

27 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He's pretty close to the bottom of actual starters. Not backups playing due to injury but guys tabbed as teams as "this is our starting QB". There's not many of those guys you can make a compelling argument that Bryce is demonstrably better than that guy. 

Well Fields lost his job and so did Dillon Gabriel, basically.

That leaves ol "Nine" as the guy that seems to be definitively worse than Bryce. Ward, Sanders(assuming him as new starter), Dart, Shough and even Penis Jr. are TBD's. 

JJ is sort of like Bryce in that he has been so incredibly bad so early that you really question what his ceiling even is.

[Car123]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Name me 9-14 guys who went into the season as planned starters that you'd say Bryce is clearly better than.

The kid in Minnesota, Saints QB, Geno, Tua, Purdy, Stroud, Trevor Lawerence, Flacco, Fields, Caleb Williams, Penix jr.

[kungfoodude]

Just now, Car123 said:

The kid in Minnesota, Saints QB, Geno, Tua, Purdy, Stroud, Trevor Lawerence, Flacco, Fields, Caleb Williams, Penix jr.

Geno, Tua, Purdy, Stroud, Lawrence, Williams are so clearly better than Bryce as to be comical.

Flacco I can give you but that's also due to his extreme age. He really is a backup QB at this stage. It was simply that Cleveland had no good options.

McCarthy seems clearly worse. Saints QB's and Penis Jr. is definitely a good argument. I think the thing they have in their favor(not Rattler) is lacking the amount of film to conclusively say if they are clearly better or worse. 

But that still makes Bryce a very clear bottom 5 QB.

[Car123]

14 minutes ago, CRA said:

as I said, you aren't actually reading the posts you are replying to at this stage.   Maybe read that post again, where it articulates Bryce is not LITERALLY the worst QB in the NFL today....and how he gets the title of league worst over the last 3 seasons/since being drafted. 

 

Josh Allen was not a very good qb his first two years. His rookie season was worse than Young’s. He’s arguably the best in the league right now. Some QBs takes longer than others to mature. Bryce is showing progress. Bryce and the rest of the players have won 6 of their last 8 games. Bryce has played well for most of that stretch. I’m very hopeful he has turned the corner and will show positive consistency.

[CRA]

5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Well Fields lost his job and so did Dillon Gabriel, basically.

That leaves ol "Nine" as the guy that seems to be definitively worse than Bryce. Ward, Sanders(assuming him as new starter), Dart, Shough and even Penis Jr. are TBD's. 

JJ is sort of like Bryce in that he has been so incredibly bad so early that you really question what his ceiling even is.

Joe Flacco was the opening starter in Clev this season.  Bryce is making his move up rankings by 2nd and 3rd string QBs from the same team coming into the math. 

[Car123]

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Geno, Tua, Purdy, Stroud, Lawrence, Williams are so clearly better than Bryce as to be comical.

Flacco I can give you but that's also due to his extreme age. He really is a backup QB at this stage. It was simply that Cleveland had no good options.

McCarthy seems clearly worse. Saints QB's and Penis Jr. is definitely a good argument. I think the thing they have in their favor(not Rattler) is lacking the amount of film to conclusively say if they are clearly better or worse. 

But that still makes Bryce a very clear bottom 5 QB.

What makes them so clearly better? Have you watched them this season?

[CRA]

Just now, Car123 said:

Josh Allen was not a very good qb his first two years. His rookie season was worse than Young’s. He’s arguably the best in the league right now. Some QBs takes longer than others to mature. Bryce is showing progress. Bryce and the rest of the players have won 6 of their last 8 games. Bryce has played well for most of that stretch. I’m very hopeful he has turned the corner and will show positive consistency.

Not true.  Josh Allen had a bad rookie season.  He got MVP votes by year 3. 

Year 2? Well, the Bills were double digit winners and the morph into the closest thing to Cam Newton was becoming evident.  As you can't just look at his passing stats like Bryce, Allen was the most productive player on the ground for the Bills as well. 

I mean, this is just getting insane. 

and Bryce has been bad in 4 of the last 6 games.  Okay in 1.  Good in 1.  That's progress.  That's the consistent nature of Bryce Young

[toldozer]

15 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Geno, Tua, Purdy, Stroud, Lawrence, Williams are so clearly better than Bryce as to be comical.

Flacco I can give you but that's also due to his extreme age. He really is a backup QB at this stage. It was simply that Cleveland had no good options.

McCarthy seems clearly worse. Saints QB's and Penis Jr. is definitely a good argument. I think the thing they have in their favor(not Rattler) is lacking the amount of film to conclusively say if they are clearly better or worse. 

But that still makes Bryce a very clear bottom 5 QB.

He's better than Geno.

[Car123]

5 minutes ago, CRA said:

Not true.  Josh Allen had a bad rookie season.  He got MVP votes by year 3. 

Year 2? Well, the Bills were double digit winners and the morph into the closest thing to Cam Newton was becoming evident.  As you can't just look at his passing stats like Bryce, Allen was the most productive player on the ground for the Bills as well. 

I mean, this is just getting insane. 

and Bryce has been bad in 4 of the last 6 games.  Okay in 1.  Good in 1.  That's progress.  That's the consistent nature of Bryce Young

Young was great vs the Rams, Exceptional vs Atlanta. Give him his due. His passer rating vs LA was the 2nd highest in Panthers history. If Stafford had that stat line vs Carolina, Bryce haters would be chanting MVP.

[Car123]

4 minutes ago, toldozer said:

He's better than Geno.

He’s better than the others too if you go by both stats and eye test.

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, Car123 said:

What makes them so clearly better? Have you watched them this season?

I sure have. In most of those cases the statistical argument is extremely clear that even this season they are better than Bryce and in some cases you have QB's playing at or near the bottom end of their career results but basically being slightly worse or better than Bryce in his career best year.

The damning thing comes when you look at total body of work. Then it becomes obvious that all those QB's are a minimum of a tier above Bryce if not more than one tier above him.

I understand that we have seen blips of very good and good Bryce play this season but it's been very fleeting, similar to 2023 and 2024. Even at his "career bests" he would be on pace to have a very underwhelming season by non-Bryce standards.