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Week 15: Other games thread


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31 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

I already know I’m gonna get poo emojis for it, but idgaf…  if the FO would’ve just listened to me, we’d be fielding the hometown boy front-running for MVP this year.  Why in the world did we sell out for 2023 draft?  Like I said then… should’ve signed a stopgap for 2023, semi-tanked, and traded whatever needed to move up for Maye.  That was always my stated plan.  He is so effin good.

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31 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I just really hope the organization realizes we're finding ways to win games in spite of Bryce far more so than because of Bryce. We still need a long-term answer at QB. 

I haven’t got to watch Mendoza as much as I knew Maye bc I’m an UNC alum…  but from the games I’ve watched, Mendoza has that “it” factor much like Maye.  I think Maye is a superior athlete, and Mendoza is bigger, but I see a lot of similarities in their games and style.   I would trade this year’s first and next to move up to get Mendoza.  But I have a feeling that won’t be enough.  He’s likely going 1st overall, and that team probably needs him more than they need that or any trade.

i also watched a clip of Gruden on a podcast recently and they asked him about his QBs he’s looking at for the upcoming draft, and the guys he named I wasnt familiar with, I like duo and was disgusted.  And even he made it clear, he was not excited about the crop outside of Mendoza at all.  He believes in Mendoza, but everyone else was meh - and that’s my take.  Maybe Dante Moore?  Sellers is staying.  Reed is staying.  Guys like Beck and Pavia to me are just run of the mill, JAG-type QBs - I see their trajectory or output being like a Blaine Gabbert.  So, I’m extremely underwhelmed.  Out best bet is to bring in somebody like Jameis and maybe take a flyer on a 2nd or 3rd day guy to compete and/or develop… (or go after another young guy I’ve mentioned elsewhere if he’s available🤣).

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5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Still blows my mind that such a well ran organization like the Steelers was dumb enough to draft that guy in the 1st.

At least they took him at 20 instead of packaging a huge deal to move up. Makes it sting a little less i guess. Of course they could have had Brock Purdy 7 rounds later... 

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1 minute ago, Proudiddy said:

I haven’t got to watch Mendoza as much as I knew Maye bc I’m an UNC alum…  but from the games I’ve watched, Mendoza has that “it” factor much like Maye.  I think Maye is a superior athlete, and Mendoza is bigger, but I see a lot of similarities in their games and style.   I would trade this year’s first and next to move up to get Mendoza.  But I have a feeling that won’t be enough.  He’s likely going 1st overall, and that team probably needs him more than they need that or any trade.

i also watched a clip of Gruden on a podcast recently and they asked him about his QBs he’s looking at for the upcoming draft, and the guys he named I wasnt familiar with, I like duo and was disgusted.  And even he made it clear, he was not excited about the crop outside of Mendoza at all.  He believes in Mendoza, but everyone else was meh - and that’s my take.  Maybe Dante Moore?  Sellers is staying.  Reed is staying.  Guys like Beck and Pavia to me are just run of the mill, JAG-type QBs - I see their trajectory or output being like a Blaine Gabbert.  So, I’m extremely underwhelmed.  Out best bet is to bring in somebody like Jameis and maybe take a flyer on a 2nd or 3rd day guy to compete and/or develop… (or go after another young guy I’ve mentioned elsewhere if he’s available🤣).

Unfortunately, we will have Young here for the next 2 years at least. With that in mind, I would be a bit more concerned about an off-season extension, rather than picking up the year 5 option, similar to what the Jags did previously with Lawrence.

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