Why does Bryce get the blame?

[*FreeFua*]

44 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Well, you're defending the pick as being ok because they knew he was never going to be elite, he was just going to be whatever this is, or at least that's how I read it. And the 2 responsible, Tepper and Fittershits. Didn't mention Morgan because it's hard to say exactly how much he was involved in picking him, but if you've seen anything ive posted regarding his GM'ing, this draft looking positive is about the only good thing you'll find me saying. I think the way he's built this team is a hand grenade waiting to pull the pin. It's not sustainable, it never was, last year's draft was a draft was hot garbage and we would have done better letting a chicken pecking at random balls make our selection. I'm no Morgan fan and think the only reason he has the job is he's the only one who would actually take it.

I’m not overly defending the pick. I was team Stroud by a country mile but I also knew what to expect as far as ceiling goes with Bryce 

I had concerns with Bryce’s arm strength and size. Neither seem to overly be an issue. He’s proven to throw with enough anticipation that he makes up for a lack of velocity. I was worried about the way he played in college not translating to the league. Spending 8 seconds behind LOS. I did also think it would take Young a few years for him to reach his full potential. I also think he’s too smart and accurate to flat out bust which all of seems to be pretty accurate

Bryce is someone you can absolutely win with. No one thought he’d be the type to carry a well below average supporting cast to a Super Bowl. He’s fully capable of giving you those 4-5 special plays a game that help your team win. And then you have those rare times where he’s the reason you win like in Atlanta. 

All good teams have more than just a QB. 

Even the teams that are winning this year all have a lot more than what we have. Supporting cast/defense… more than what we have 

As far as Morgan goes I 100% agree. Fwiw he was legit team Bryce during the draft process. I know that for a fact. Last years draft is a complete write off. This past draft still up for debate. TMac and Scourton look solid. I can’t remember the last time I saw Princely win a rep and I’m being honest. Ransom has a little value. I think ETN is a nice insurance add. Evans could be a TE2. 
 

I think this offseason Morgan will get aggressive with trying to land a pass rusher. Whether that’s a trade for Crosby, signing Hendrickson, it’s going to be top priority. We need a ILB. I really like Kaden Ellis. Sonny Styles should be in our draft range. We also need a tight end and it would be interesting to see this offseason with Kenyon Sadiq 

[*FreeFua*]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

When XL was drafted it was acknowledged by many he wouldn’t be very good paired with Bryce….which he isn’t.  Bryce had something to do with that.  Bryce needs players that help him, XL needs a QB that helps him.  He is raw and what he should be doing we don’t really do.  

you ask him to participate in our bad screen game and run crisp routes to catch spotty balls?  That’s not XL.

XL just flat out needs to time out physical and run dudes downfield…..and then needs good balls on to of that.  

Such a dumb pick and most of us knew it

Ladd would’ve been the perfect match with Bryce

But instead they draft XL to fill the void at the X spot because we had a 34 year old Adam Thielen. Then a year later we draft a real X WR and move XL inside where he has absolutely no business being for a list of reasons

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, *FreeFua* said:

I’m not overly defending the pick. I was team Stroud by a country mile but I also knew what to expect as far as ceiling goes with Bryce 

I had concerns with Bryce’s arm strength and size. Neither seem to overly be an issue. He’s proven to throw with enough anticipation that he makes up for a lack of velocity. I was worried about the way he played in college not translating to the league. Spending 8 seconds behind LOS. I did also think it would take Young a few years for him to reach his full potential. I also think he’s too smart and accurate to flat out bust which all of seems to be pretty accurate

Bryce is someone you can absolutely win with. No one thought he’d be the type to carry a well below average supporting cast to a Super Bowl. He’s fully capable of giving you those 4-5 special plays a game that help your team win. And then you have those rare times where he’s the reason you win like in Atlanta. 

All good teams have more than just a QB. 

Even the teams that are winning this year all have a lot more than what we have. Supporting cast/defense… more than what we have 

As far as Morgan goes I 100% agree. Fwiw he was legit team Bryce during the draft process. I know that for a fact. Last years draft is a complete write off. This past draft still up for debate. TMac and Scourton look solid. I can’t remember the last time I saw Princely win a rep and I’m being honest. Ransom has a little value. I think ETN is a nice insurance add. Evans could be a TE2. 
 

I think this offseason Morgan will get aggressive with trying to land a pass rusher. Whether that’s a trade for Crosby, signing Hendrickson, it’s going to be top priority. We need a ILB. I really like Kaden Ellis. Sonny Styles should be in our draft range. We also need a tight end and it would be interesting to see this offseason with Kenyon Sadiq 

I don't think any premium pass rushers will be available when we pick in the 10-16 range. It is a very good spot to land an elite LB or potentially a great TE. Unless a truly elite TR drops to us, I wouldn't reach for that position. This isn't a very strong class and last year was the year to make that move. 

It's strange how many mocks I see with us taking a WR or CB.

[Carolina Cajun]

Bryce was fine sunday.  Not good, not bad, but our defense was awful.  Everything is understated because of how LONG drives were that game.  The panthers had long time killing drives and the saints had long time killing drives.  For reference, I looked it up, average NFL game has about 22-24, meaning each team gets 10-12 drives, for reference though, the panthers had 8 total, and one of those drives came with us having 2 seconds left in the game.

The biggest killer was the saints just getting possession after possession that just seemed to last for fuging EVER.  they killed us on TOP then made just a few plays at the end.  Credit where its due, thats how we beat the Packers and to a lesser extent the Rams.  Limit their possessions by just slugging it out and getting a TOP advantage.  Its how lesser teams beat better teams and we fell for our own trap.

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Such a dumb pick and most of us knew it

Ladd would’ve been the perfect match with Bryce

But instead they draft XL to fill the void at the X spot because we had a 34 year old Adam Thielen. Then a year later we draft a real X WR and move XL inside where he has absolutely no business being for a list of reasons

XL is showing he just isn't an NFL WR. If they are smart, they attempt to move him this offseason.

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

I had concerns with Bryce’s arm strength and size. Neither seem to overly be an issue.

what?

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, Carolina Cajun said:

Bryce was fine sunday.  Not good, not bad, but our defense was awful.  Everything is understated because of how LONG drives were that game.  The panthers had long time killing drives and the saints had long time killing drives.  For reference, I looked it up, average NFL game has about 22-24, meaning each team gets 10-12 drives, for reference though, the panthers had 8 total, and one of those drives came with us having 2 seconds left in the game.

The biggest killer was the saints just getting possession after possession that just seemed to last for fuging EVER.  they killed us on TOP then made just a few plays at the end.  Credit where its due, thats how we beat the Packers and to a lesser extent the Rams.  Limit their possessions by just slugging it out and getting a TOP advantage.  Its how lesser teams beat better teams and we fell for our own trap.

Our offense mustered 44 yds on 4 drives in the last 24:54 of Sunday's game. It would be very disingenuous to call his game "good." For a "clutch performer" he was the smallest when the lights were the brightest.

Edited 5 hours ago by kungfoodude

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

what?

Truthfully, those really haven't been massive concerns. In fact, I would call them lesser concerns in the overall Bryce Experience.

[Carolina Cajun]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

Our offense mustered 44 yds on 4 drives in the last 24:54 of Sunday's game. It would be very disingenuous to call his game "good." For a "clutch performer" he was the smallest when the lights were the brightest.

I agree, why I said he was fine...not really good or bad.  he had poo like Tremble dropping a pass that legit just hits him in the hands.  Ultimately, he wasnt why we lost the game, Evero, Canales and the absolute dogshit officiating did that.

[mrcompletely11]

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

what?

Its insanity.  Especially after what Canales said sheer insanity 

Edited 4 hours ago by mrcompletely11

[*FreeFua*]

6 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I don't think any premium pass rushers will be available when we pick in the 10-16 range. It is a very good spot to land an elite LB or potentially a great TE. Unless a truly elite TR drops to us, I wouldn't reach for that position. This isn't a very strong class and last year was the year to make that move. 

It's strange how many mocks I see with us taking a WR or CB.

I agree this draft class doesn’t excite me much either

If we’re picking in that 14-18 range based on what’s most likely available CB, ILB, TE or even WR make most sense

I don’t think Morgan has the time to wait on another edge to develop. I think he goes and grabs a proven one to make an immediate impact 

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

what?

They’re really not. Size meaning durability. No one ever thought this dude would be trucking people or breaking tackles in the pocket. People thought he’d get broken in half after taking his first sack/hit

He’s one of the better QB’s at avoiding sacks this year 

Edited 4 hours ago by *FreeFua*

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

Truthfully, those really haven't been massive concerns. In fact, I would call them lesser concerns in the overall Bryce Experience.

I think it all stems from the lack of physical ability though. Nothing else really matters if you just flat out lack the physical prerequisites. He has issues seeing the field due to his size. He has a bad habit of backpedaling and not stepping uo I. The pocket sue to his size. His arm means he struggles to drive the ball down the field and squeeze it into tight windows. It's very telling that almost all of our pass attempts downfield are purely schemed up and usually come on traditional obvious running downs. We have to try to catch the D selling out against the run to give us a shot to throw deep. It all boils down to a lack if physical tools.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Carolina Cajun said:

I agree, why I said he was fine...not really good or bad.  he had poo like Tremble dropping a pass that legit just hits him in the hands.  Ultimately, he wasnt why we lost the game, Evero, Canales and the absolute dogshit officiating did that.

I would say coaching was a bigger factor, for sure. But Bryce was the biggest reason outside our coaching staff. He just isn't an NFL caliber starting QB. He's a middle of the pack 2nd stringer at his peak.

[kungfoodude]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

I think it all stems from the lack of physical ability though. Nothing else really matters if you just flat out lack the physical prerequisites. He has issues seeing the field due to his size. He has a bad habit of backpedaling and not stepping uo I. The pocket sue to his size. His arm means he struggles to drive the ball down the field and squeeze it into tight windows. It's very telling that almost all of our pass attempts downfield are purely schemed up and usually come on traditional obvious running downs. We have to try to catch the D selling out against the run to give us a shot to throw deep. It all boils down to a lack if physical tools.

There probably is some truth to that. I think the overwhelming bulk of his problems are between his ears.