Maxx Crosby is not happy

[kungfoodude]

8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Bingo. The dude is a baller no doubt and I'd love to have him in a vacuum but like you said he's gonna fetch a haul so the only teams it really makes sense for are teams with an overall good roster who they feel an edge rusher like Crosby would out them over the top in terms of competing for SBs.

I'd be looking st teams like the Pats, Bucs, Ravens, Seahawks, etc.

It wouldn't be shocking to see him moved. He may be more valuable to a rebuilding team in the form of the draft assets he'd fetch than he is on the field. He should still have several more good years in the tank at 28 but by the time the Raiders can reasonably expect to rebuild he's gonna be on the decline.

I don't necessarily think he will be moved, I would currently be leaning against that notion. I think a lot will depend on the coaching situation. Carroll certainly can't be thinking about wanting to go through a serious strip down and overhaul, so the longer he plans to remain, the less likely I think Crosby gets moved.

[Khyber53]

Usually I'm the first guy to say never trade for someone else's problems...

But if he were out there, I'd trade for him in a heart beat. Players, draft picks... yeah. Instant return on investment.

[PantherChris]

12 hours ago, cranky said:

I think I could put up with a cornball for 10 sacks lol. But your probably right that he would never come here.

Ten sacks in a down year, with DB eating blocks he's easily a 14-16 sack guy....

Game changing pash rusher at 28 years old with a style that ages better than speed rushers? 

[PantherChris]

31 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I don't necessarily think he will be moved, I would currently be leaning against that notion. I think a lot will depend on the coaching situation. Carroll certainly can't be thinking about wanting to go through a serious strip down and overhaul, so the longer he plans to remain, the less likely I think Crosby gets moved.

Carroll is just collecting a paycheck at this point and all of his Seattle rethreads havent worked out.... wouldnt shock me if the raiders move on from Carroll and rebuild if they end up with the top pick.

[LinvilleGorge]

37 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I don't necessarily think he will be moved, I would currently be leaning against that notion. I think a lot will depend on the coaching situation. Carroll certainly can't be thinking about wanting to go through a serious strip down and overhaul, so the longer he plans to remain, the less likely I think Crosby gets moved.

It wouldn't be shocking for the Carroll thing to come to an end, either with him retiring or the Raiders turning the page. They brought Carroll in and he in turn brought in Geno with everyone thinking that team was a lot closer to competing than they were. They need a proper rebuild and a coach on the wrong side of 70 isn't the right fit for that.

[SOJA]

this is the guy I would trade for. He is going to need a new contract soon, might be a Burns situation where we can get him for a discount 

[kungfoodude]

13 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

Carroll is just collecting a paycheck at this point and all of his Seattle rethreads havent worked out.... wouldnt shock me if the raiders move on from Carroll and rebuild if they end up with the top pick.

I think if you know anything about Pete Carroll he isn't mailing it in. It's just not working there.

7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It wouldn't be shocking for the Carroll thing to come to an end, either with him retiring or the Raiders turning the page. They brought Carroll in and he in turn brought in Geno with everyone thinking that team was a lot closer to competing than they were. They need a proper rebuild and a coach on the wrong side of 70 isn't the right fit for that.

I agree. They need to start collecting assets like the Jets did while retooling that roster. Some of that already started after they moved Meyers to Jacksonville. Geno is an acceptable QB to take the "rebuild" bullets while they try to get the roster upgraded the next 2-3 offseasons. They also have a ton of cap space next year($105 mil) so they could just opt to go hard in FA.

[cranky]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

Crosby will garner a haul in a trade. I would be reluctant to make that trade because of the following:

1. Our overall roster is awful. We cannot afford to be trading away valuable draft capital.

2. He isn't the best fit(IMO) for the scheme that Evero runs. 

I love the player but it would really need to be at a reasonable deal and I think he is likely to garner an unreasonable price if he gets traded.

I agree with the draft capital but, he would instantly improve everyone on the line simply from the attention he would garner. Having him with Brown and Scourton would be huge.

As far as Evero goes, there are no gaurantees he will be here next season. I would guess he will be but you never know.

[kungfoodude]

7 minutes ago, SOJA said:

this is the guy I would trade for. He is going to need a new contract soon, might be a Burns situation where we can get him for a discount 

He is under contract through 2029 so this is really nothing like Burns. Our clock had run out and he was going to be due a mega-deal and ASKED for a mega deal. They have an elite guy on a longer term deal with a highish AAV but it will be $25-30 mil/year with almost no money guaranteed. It's a mega low risk, mega high reward so his value in a trade is likely to be substantially higher than Burns at the moment we had to trade him.

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, cranky said:

I agree with the draft capital but, he would instantly improve everyone on the line simply from the attention he would garner. Having him with Brown and Scourton would be huge.

As far as Evero goes, there are no gaurantees he will be here next season. I would guess he will be but you never know.

IMO, there is no one player that instantly makes that an elite defense and my guess is that with the way his contract is structured, he may need a very, very substantial trade capital offer. If that is the case, I just don't think that's a prudent move for a team that is likely to have upper half of the draft picks and extreme roster needs for at least a couple of more offseasons.

The Parsons trade made sense for Green Bay because that is a very complete team that needed someone to elevate them as a team. We are far from that situation. There are very few, if any, non-QB's we can add to this roster and expect big results in terms of overall W's/L's. 

If he can be had for a reasonable price, I am 1,000,000% in. If it's something that hinders our ability to continue to add cheap talent to the roster, it's a bad idea for where we are in our building phase.

[ForJimmy]

If we are trading for an edge, I’d prefer Thibs, younger and cheaper to acquire. His sacks are down but his win rate is up. He is basically pressuring the QB into sacks for Burns. We would get the 5th year and then have to pay him. Thibs, Scourton, and DB on the line would be solid. You would have Princely, Pat Jones, and Gipson rotating in on the edges for some depth/fresh legs. Throw in a nice young ILB like Syles or Allen or a FA and our defense would be so much better. 

[csx]

People greatly overplayed the wont play here angle. Pros like living in the area. He would come if paid market value

[PantherChris]

40 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

IMO, there is no one player that instantly makes that an elite defense and my guess is that with the way his contract is structured, he may need a very, very substantial trade capital offer. If that is the case, I just don't think that's a prudent move for a team that is likely to have upper half of the draft picks and extreme roster needs for at least a couple of more offseasons.

The Parsons trade made sense for Green Bay because that is a very complete team that needed someone to elevate them as a team. We are far from that situation. There are very few, if any, non-QB's we can add to this roster and expect big results in terms of overall W's/L's. 

If he can be had for a reasonable price, I am 1,000,000% in. If it's something that hinders our ability to continue to add cheap talent to the roster, it's a bad idea for where we are in our building phase.

No "one player" is true but I do think the defense is maybe two more elite players away from being a dominant defense, namely at LB and edge rusher, our secondary has performed very well considering the complete lack of a pass rush.... and our 3 linemen are pretty dang good, an elite pass rusher would push this defense into the top ten imo but they will still be inconsistent vs the run and vs TEs until inside LB is upgraded the last 5 years really show you how spoiled we have been at LB until then.

[cranky]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

IMO, there is no one player that instantly makes that an elite defense and my guess is that with the way his contract is structured, he may need a very, very substantial trade capital offer. If that is the case, I just don't think that's a prudent move for a team that is likely to have upper half of the draft picks and extreme roster needs for at least a couple of more offseasons.

The Parsons trade made sense for Green Bay because that is a very complete team that needed someone to elevate them as a team. We are far from that situation. There are very few, if any, non-QB's we can add to this roster and expect big results in terms of overall W's/L's. 

If he can be had for a reasonable price, I am 1,000,000% in. If it's something that hinders our ability to continue to add cheap talent to the roster, it's a bad idea for where we are in our building phase.

To play devils' advocate for a minute, I'm not sure ANY big time DE signing is worth it long term. 

The Giants signed Burns to a large contract and have gone 5-26 since. And yes I understand there are many variables that go into a win/loss number, the capital expended on him has been wasted so far.

The Packers signed/traded for Parsons and they look to have the same record as last year and the defense actually locks a little weaker. I understand you get these players for the playoffs but still, so far, again, it has not been a wise allocation of capital.

The Bengals brought in Hendrickson in 2021? and other than 2022, their defense has been in the bottom of the league ( all the while Burrows has been getting killed because of a bad o-line).

So yeah, going with what you said about bringing in young, afforable, players does seem the best way to go.

It's not nearly as fun or sexy though.