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Wild Card QB Performance Rankings

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1 hour ago, frankw said:

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For reference here's Bryce's passer rating for the season and the peers amongst him in comparison. Not great company.

It certainly lines up with what I've seen with my own two eyes.

Passer rating is genuinely the worst way to measure performance. It weighs completion % insanely heavy.

Cam’s career passer rating is 85. What does that tell you about him as a passer?

Absolutely nothing. It’s a garbage stat.

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The thing is, traditional passer rating only accounts for pass accuracy, interceptions and touchdowns. It doesn't take into account, for example, that CJ Stroud had 5 fumbles. Or that Matt Stafford went through a large stretch of game where he had 12 incompletions and interception and a near 2nd dropped interception before he started moving the ball when we went semi-prevent. It also doesn't account for runs and running touchdowns. 

In addition, things like time-to-throw are difficult to measure. A QB running for his life is gonna higher TTT stat because he's maybe rolling out the pocket, or escaping a pressure. If you watched Herbert on Sunday, a lot of people would say his line was a turnstile, but he had the highest time to throw.

QBR does take a lot of that into account, so the Total QBR vs the Passer Rating is never gonna match up exactly. 

This forum is largely anti-Bryce though, so if his passer rating for 101.5 because he threw 3 TDs and had 1 int, but had 5 fumbles, people would point at the low QBR and say... SEE! I told you, passer rating doesn't tell the story!!

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2 hours ago, mav1234 said:

Are we including their contracts? Haha. If so I'd add Lawrence and maaaaaybe Herbert to the list I wouldn't trade for (I'd probably still take Herbert lol).

I was happy with Bryce's performance and all but the op seems to think we should read more into it than I think we need to. 

(I am totally against signing Bryce to a long term contract right now)

I just think he’s better than he’s given credit for on here. Folks here think he is not an NFL quarterback. He showed he can play with the big boys when it matters.

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2 minutes ago, thebdawg said:

(I am totally against signing Bryce to a long term contract right now)

I just think he’s better than he’s given credit for on here. Folks here think he is not an NFL quarterback. He showed he can play with the big boys when it matters.

He has been one of the worst starters in the nfl for the past 3 years, he is not better than he is given credit for.  You are seeing what you want to see and making up things to justify it

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5 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

epa .02

COIE -1.8

YAC 47%

 

yeah buddy keep planting that bryce flag,  this comical

Yup better epa than stroud, hurts, Lawrence, Herbert.

CPOE better than half

That’s comical?

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2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

its his shtick and he comes across as a fool  

Buddy do you realize your shtick pisses off 95% of panther fans and is the reason there were multiple fights in the stands the other day lmao 

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13 minutes ago, thebdawg said:

Passer rating is genuinely the worst way to measure performance. It weighs completion % insanely heavy.

Cam’s career passer rating is 85. What does that tell you about him as a passer?

Absolutely nothing. It’s a garbage stat.

When evaluating a QB the eye test goes hand in hand with the statistics.

Anyone with a functioning brain knew Cam Newton in his prime was a cheat code more often than not even if his accuracy was sometimes maddening.

Bryce Young has now played 3 complete seasons of football and he moves the ball through the air on average at a very low rate. Amongst the lowest at his position in league history. That isn't going to just suddenly change. It's who he is.

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4 minutes ago, thebdawg said:

Buddy do you realize your shtick pisses off 95% of panther fans and is the reason there were multiple fights in the stands the other day lmao 

How is mrcompletelys bryce hate the cause of the fights? 

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1 hour ago, cranky said:

The first 6 games of the season had TMac with 0 NFL experience and XL with his 54% catch rate as the number 1 and 2 receivers. They combined for 46/82 catches (56.1%), 539 yards (11.72 yds /rec ) and Young had 11 TDs and 8 TOs.

The last 6 games had a more experienced TMac and Coker as the number 1 and 2 receivers and they combined for 49/69 catches (71 %), 732 yards (14.94 yds/rec) and Young had 11 TD’s and only 3 TO’s. 

Some people around here believe a QBs’ performance works in a vacuum. It doesn’t. 

No doubt a lot of Young’s inconsistencies are his own fault but he has shown improvement since Coker returned and started getting more playing time. That with the fact TMac will have an entire year of experience means there should be a lot more games like Saturdays’ next year.

interesting enough his qbr was basically the same the first 8 games he played and the last 8 games.  i believe like 22nd in the total nfl. 

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1 minute ago, dep said:

How is mrcompletelys bryce hate the cause of the fights? 

His shtick, the I hate Bryce shtick. We have a small number of fans in the stands screaming how bad our qb sucks when he misses a pass, while the rest of us are having a great time supporting our team in the playoffs.

You don’t go scream about how poo you think your quarterback is in a stadium full of fans cheering for the team and him. It’s fuging weird.

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