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Brandon Beane vs Dan Morgan

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18 minutes ago, csx said:

Damn.....Beane was a god here a year ago with people praising his ability to have a talented roster 

People are just acting like he hasn't put together a talented roster, but it was still good enough to be in contention for a Super Bowl for most of his time there including this year. The fact is is that from Albert Breer and other sources, Sean McDermott had virtually just as much power as Beane did. It was a collaboration. 

All that being said, it's not even really worth discussing, as Beane is in Buffalo, an established GM, and still highly regarded in league circles based upon the same body of work which some Huddlers are being hypercritical about.

We have Dan. I like Dan. He improved from year one to year two, and hopefully he continues to help the franchise progress. 

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1 hour ago, csx said:

Damn.....Beane was a god here a year ago with people praising his ability to have a talented roster 

well, be real. He was having success and challenging for a SB trip while we were flailing around like usual in the Tepper era. Pick a year that you wouldn’t have traded outcomes with Buffalo. 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Basbear said:

I was a big Gettlegut supporter until the Josh Norman situation. I broke clean for his handling and didn't care for him at all, but glad for his 2017 draft.

He didn't want to pay Josh, but tagged him. Then he didn't get ANY trade value for a guy that gets the highest CB contract in the NFL?? Washington was ran by Scot McCloughan world class talent-knower and big booze hound. Then Dave used 3 out of the 5 picks on CB after he had no choice since Free agent period was over. Just a blunder of mistake and he should have been fired over the handling of it. Just like Josh play on the tag and 99.845012% Panthers finally have back2back winning seasons, you *****!!

 

2 hours ago, strato said:

Lol yeah. I remember. Bull in a China shop persona too. No tact. 
 

I loved him when he took Star and KK I thought we were really on to something. 
I needed more and more chaser to swallow his bullshit as time went on. 

Gettleman's problem was that early on when he was cleaning up Hurney's cap mess he made some great trash heap moves that really paid off. That intensified his arrogance to billionaire tech bro levels and it was eventually his undoing. If you recall the end of his time in NY after us, he was eventually a guy that was pretty humbled. 

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7 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

 

Gettleman's problem was that early on when he was cleaning up Hurney's cap mess he made some great trash heap moves that really paid off. That intensified his arrogance to billionaire tech bro levels and it was eventually his undoing. If you recall the end of his time in NY after us, he was eventually a guy that was pretty humbled. 

Oh yeah. They took him back in NY because of that SB. He proceeded to do the opposite of good.

I ate his first PC up though. “You have to put the proper value on the player”. 
Sounded great at the time.  

 

 

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5 hours ago, TD alt said:

People are just acting like he hasn't put together a talented roster, but it was still good enough to be in contention for a Super Bowl for most of his time there including this year. The fact is is that from Albert Breer and other sources, Sean McDermott had virtually just as much power as Beane did. It was a collaboration. 

All that being said, it's not even really worth discussing, as Beane is in Buffalo, an established GM, and still highly regarded in league circles based upon the same body of work which some Huddlers are being hypercritical about.

We have Dan. I like Dan. He improved from year one to year two, and hopefully he continues to help the franchise progress. 

It's worth discussing the 180 degree shift in attitudes about Beane.

He obviously doesn't suck. 

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1 hour ago, csx said:

It's worth discussing the 180 degree shift in attitudes about Beane.

He obviously doesn't suck. 

I mean, I was accused of "simping" for the guy, so...The Huddle gonna Huddle. I guess people's feelings are genuinely hurt that McDermott got the axe. Like AI explained in the other thread, it's unfortunate, but he was the HC for players that underperformed time and time again during crunch time (much like B-more for Harbaugh). Even owners get tired sometimes and perceive that a change is needed. Coaches are generally the ones that are fired in these situations, especially when teams really are championship-caliber. 

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7 hours ago, strato said:

Oh yeah. They took him back in NY because of that SB. He proceeded to do the opposite of good.

I ate his first PC up though. “You have to put the proper value on the player”. 
Sounded great at the time.  

 

 

Our triumvirate of awful GM's in Hurney, Gettleman and Fitterer will be tough for most franchises to beat. Fitterer may have been worse than Matt Millen.

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2 hours ago, TD alt said:

I mean, I was accused of "simping" for the guy, so...The Huddle gonna Huddle. I guess people's feelings are genuinely hurt that McDermott got the axe. Like AI explained in the other thread, it's unfortunate, but he was the HC for players that underperformed time and time again during crunch time (much like B-more for Harbaugh). Even owners get tired sometimes and perceive that a change is needed. Coaches are generally the ones that are fired in these situations, especially when teams really are championship-caliber. 

This is how low modern critical thinking is, eh?

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I think you have to look at Beane's outcomes in Buffalo (a team that was a shambles when he got there) and see how they were able to come from the cellar into the catbird seat for nearly a decade, supplanting and eventually uprooting the legendary Pats and Belichick.

Morgan has had... it's probably too early to grade Morgan's effort. Our move from the cellar upwards coincided with some crashing under their own weight by our division mates.

Straight up, though, I'd take Beane in a minute.

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Also, I will say @kungfoodude, AI is not inherently a bad thing, especially within the context of the Internet, searching and aggregating information. You just have to realize that in its current iteration, it's not error free, so you have to check the sources, but the better it gets the more accurate it should get. It doesn't replace critical thinking, it's a tool in order to aid critical thinking. Just because someone uses AI to gather information doesn't make them wrong. It could make them "lazy" in the sense that they should double-check the veracity of information and sometimes they don't. But, AI is a tool, at least for now, and that's really the concept behind AI: to aid humanity. It may be a wondrous thing a century from now.

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3 minutes ago, TD alt said:

Also, I will say @kungfoodude, AI is not inherently a bad thing, especially within the context of the Internet, searching and aggregating information. You just have to realize that in its current iteration, it's not error free, so you have to check the sources, but the better it gets the more accurate it should get. It doesn't replace critical thinking, it's a tool in order to aid critical thinking. Just because someone uses AI to gather information doesn't make them wrong. It could make them "lazy" in the sense that they should double-check the veracity of information and sometimes they don't. But, AI is a tool, at least for now, and that's really the concept behind AI: to aid humanity. It may be a wondrous thing a century from now.

LLM's are largely terrible and will likely remain so for at least a decade. I agree AI might eventually be useful but it's absolutely dreadful right now.

It's biggest use has been to identify the dumbest people, TBH.

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3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

It's biggest use has been to identify the dumbest people, TBH.

I would give that illustrious characteristic/title to X, formerly known as Twitter. Well, maybe so called social media in general. X is just the top, or the bottom...

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