Poll of NFL sources finds gulf of opinion on QBs

[JawnyBlaze]

Yea, but let's fix what we got for now rather than spend a high price (the pick, not the money) on something else we have to fix. I'd rather fix up my 2005 car that needs a new transmission than buy a 2010 car that needs 4 new tires.

Revamping a throwing motion is a much more difficult project than fixing footwork.

Cam has the mechanics already in place. He just has to get is footwork right and he will be fine.

[mmmbeans]

Revamping a throwing motion is a much more difficult project than fixing footwork.

Cam has the mechanics already in place. He just has to get is footwork right and he will be fine.

there really is more to it than that. you make it sound like all he has to do is learn to walk in a straight line.

[teeray]

14 games isn't enough for the #1 pick imo. Not with how infrequently he threw combined with the system he is from.

Rated high means nothing. Hell, actual draft order means very little, take Drew Brees.

Clausen's inability to use the middle of the field is more due to his delivery than his height.

i honestly have no idea if we should draft newton or not. but what is strange to me is that a good number of people around here have seemingly convinced themselves or each other that he isn't a HUGE risk. He is and my gut says he is too much of a risk for the #1 pick.

The reality is this. If he wasn't a physical freak NOBODY would be talking about drafting him this high. I don't need a physical freak at QB, I need someone who can throw the ball and not make mistakes. Is that cam newton? maybe. is maybe enough? Not for me, not at #1.

But if we do draft him, I'll assume that the FO knows a lot more about football than I do (cause they do,) and be pumped to watch this guy develop, because it certainly will be exciting.

Every QB is a big risk. The lower in the first round the higher the risk. There has been only 1 QB in the past 10 years that has been drafted between 20 and 32 that hasn't failed (Rodgers).

Luck is a great prospect. If he truly is a once in a decade talent we are going to have to wait another decade or go ahead and take that risk. If we are not picking number one next year we will be faced with similar questions at the QB pool next year and still be in the same position.

The only difference is we would have wasted another year.

Look at Buffalo. They have been waiting for 2 decades now for that "perfect situation" to come up for the QB position. Now they are irrelevant.

[teeray]

there really is more to it than that. you make it sound like all he has to do is learn to walk in a straight line.

His throwing mechanics are fine. The only criticism I have seen is he keeps the ball too far away from his body when he is throwing. But his motion it tight and his release is high and smooth.

The bigger issue has been urgency in his drop backs and weight distribution on his throws.

We have coaches for a reason and these are relatively easy fixes.

Doesn't mean he will be Peyton Manning but if he puts the work in (and there is no reason to think he won't) he will be fine

[mmmbeans]

Every QB is a big risk. The lower in the first round the higher the risk. There has been only 1 QB in the past 10 years that has been drafted between 20 and 32 that hasn't failed (Rodgers).

Luck is a great prospect. If he truly is a once in a decade talent we are going to have to wait another decade or go ahead and take that risk. If we are not picking number one next year we will be faced with similar questions at the QB pool next year and still be in the same position.

The only difference is we would have wasted another year.

Look at Buffalo. They have been waiting for 2 decades now for that "perfect situation" to come up for the QB position. Now they are irrelevant.

That statistic is pretty funny. Do you mean to say that if Newton was drafted below 20 he would have a higher chance to fail? Where a QB is drafted doesn't have any bearing on his success rate, it reflects teams' opinions of him and such things can only be dissected in hindsight. By that rationale we shouldn't draft him #1 because since '02 3 of the 5 Qb's drafted at #1 have been total busts while 2 have been serviceable at best.

No matter how you cut it Newton is a huge risk, he is not the same risk as every other QB that enters the draft. He just isn't, and as the above statistic shows: teams that reach for a QB at #1 due to need, often have it bite them in the ass.

[Brooklyn Bully]

When you are just throwing in shorts with no pass rush... you shouldn't only go 11 for 21.

That's if you want to play in the NFL as a QB.

Then nobody should draft Cam. What he did at Auburn was a farce. He sucks. The combine is the only true test of a player's future.

[mav1234]

Not really surprised. There is a belief Newton could have a higher ceiling. I would be curious to know how many of those teams actually interviewed the guys. Sometimes, teams deep in the first round don't interview the "top" QB prospects since they don't expect to see them.

[mav1234]

Then nobody should draft Cam. What he did at Auburn was a farce. He sucks. The combine is the only true test of a player's future.

well he sure isn't going to rush 200 times for 1000 yards in the NFL, sorry, and as other posters have pointed out his passing stats at auburn... only a limited selection of his throws were really NFL-level throws. It's not that he sucks by any means, it's that he may not be worth the #1 pick.

The combine just went to show what we already knew anyway. Footwork issues, inaccurate, but big arm and crazy athletic.

edit: and also a very good media interview, and reportedly mixed results on the white board.

imo, he could very well end up the pick, and I think he has a higher excitement level around him which may be why we go for him, even though he's not my favorite QB in the draft.

[teeray]

That statistic is pretty funny. Do you mean to say that if Newton was drafted below 20 he would have a higher chance to fail? Where a QB is drafted doesn't have any bearing on his success rate, it reflects teams' opinions of him and such things can only be dissected in hindsight. By that rationale we shouldn't draft him #1 because since '02 3 of the 5 Qb's drafted at #1 have been total busts while 2 have been serviceable at best.

No matter how you cut it Newton is a huge risk, he is not the same risk as every other QB that enters the draft. He just isn't, and as the above statistic shows: teams that reach for a QB at #1 due to need, more often than not have it bite them in the ass.

It means that NFL scouts know what they are doing and guys that are truly franchise QBs generally don't don't fall below 20 in the draft very often. People see Brees, Cassell, and Brady and think you can get a franchise QB in later rounds. It RARELY happens. It is a crap shoot. It is a much riskier proposition than drafting a QB number 1 overall. That is what the Bills have been doing the last 20 years. Trading, free agents, late first round or second round draft picks. That is why they are a failure as a franchise.

I disagree with this HUGE RISK argument. I don't buy it but that is your opinion which I can't disprove just like you can't disprove my opinion. Until they play an NFL game that is all we have are opinions. We will find out soon enough.

He has the pieces to be a really good QB. The things he needs to work on are minor in nature. And NFL scouts seem to agree with me.

[mmmbeans]

It means that NFL scouts know what they are doing and guys that are truly franchise QBs generally don't don't fall below 20 in the draft very often. People see Brees, Cassell, and Brady and think you can get a franchise QB in later rounds. It RARELY happens. It is a crap shoot. It is a much riskier proposition than drafting a QB number 1 overall. That is what the Bills have been doing the last 20 years. Trading, free agents, late first round or second round draft picks. That is why they are a failure as a franchise.

I disagree with this HUGE RISK argument. I don't buy it but that is your opinion which I can't disprove just like you can't disprove my opinion. Until they play an NFL game that is all we have are opinions. We will find out soon enough.

He has the pieces to be a really good QB. The things he needs to work on are minor in nature. And NFL scouts seem to agree with me.

we will see if NFL scouts agree with you. I remember Jimmy Clausen was a top 5 pick last year. owait. Again, I don't think we have a great chance of getting a QB in the later rounds, it doesn't seem probable. But drafting one high doesn't guarantee success. If you think Cam Newton has the same amount of risk associated with him as Matt Ryan or Sam Bradford, you are out of your f*cking mind.

We'll see what happens, he worries me but I'm not going to be one that freaks the f*ck out if we draft him.

[teeray]

we will see if NFL scouts agree with you. I remember Jimmy Clausen was a top 5 pick last year. owait. Again, I don't think we have a great chance of getting a QB in the later rounds, it doesn't seem probable. But drafting one high doesn't guarantee success. If you think Cam Newton has the same amount of risk associated with him as Matt Ryan or Sam Bradford, you are out of your f*cking mind.

We'll see what happens, he worries me but I'm not going to be one that freaks the f*ck out if we draft him.

We really won't know until the draft. Just saying what is being reported.

People forget Matt Ryan had LOTS of questions about him. Since he has panned out people assume he was a safe pick. All the questions is what caused the Dolphins to pass on him for the "safe pick".

Some people weren't sold on Bradford either. As a matter of fact many thought Suh would be the number one pick because he was the "safe pick".

So don't act like these guys were locks to be good. Neither is Cam. But if you believe what the scouts are saying there is a reason he is rated as high as he is.

[thunderraiden]

Cam doesnt have the short out nailed yet... but that turned out OK for Brees didnt it?

Clausen gets a lot of his balls batted down.... but that turned out OK for Brees didnt it?

SEE WHAT I DID THAR?

[Mr. Scot]

Easy. If his Auburn WRs were out there, he would have "looked better" to the critical eyes that burned him for "throwing horribly" at the combine. It's sort of like how Pro Bowl QBs aren't on the same page with their star WRs like they are with their own WRs, or how NBA players look odd during the All-Star game. I'm not saying Cam is a top talent, but he would've looked better had he been in rhythm with the WRs.

I must have missed the part where the other guys that threw well got to bring along their own receivers.

[teeray]

I must have missed the part where the other guys that threw well got to bring along their own receivers.

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