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Mort Tweets QB Wonderlics

pantherfan81

By pantherfan81,
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nagai Newbie

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Ummm guys, you gotta reamember that there's a very real time limit to this thing. You're given fairly little time, so you can't just sit back and work things out slowly, the test is made for you to think on your feet. You may not even get to read all the questions before the time's up. Given this information, it's pretty harsh to judge the score from a simple percentage. 20 is about average, Cam scored about average. That's all you need to know.

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frash.exe Apprentice

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also check this out if you don't realize wonderlic isn't the be all end all of what makes a QB good

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/wonderlic-scores-of-2010-nfl-starting-quarterbacks-and-339905.html

i've not changed my stance one bit. i'm saying all along if Rivera and Hurney are sold on him i support the pick. if not, i assume they found way to many flaws in his game that cannot be feasibly overcome.

based on that link, if Alex Smith was a draft prospect he would've swayed a lot of people on here, and we all see how his game is pitiful so fug the wonderlic

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nagai Newbie

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also check this out if you don't realize wonderlic isn't the be all end all of what makes a QB good

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/wonderlic-scores-of-2010-nfl-starting-quarterbacks-and-339905.html

i've not changed my stance one bit. i'm saying all along if Rivera and Hurney are sold on him i support the pick. if not, i assume they found way to many flaws in his game that cannot be feasibly overcome.

based on that link, if Alex Smith was a draft prospect he would've swayed a lot of people on here, and we all see how his game is pitiful so fug the wonderlic

I'm not so sure about that. It's true that having a good wonderlick doesn't automatically mean you'll have a good career, nor is it the case that having a bad wonderlick score mean that you'll suck. Having said that though, I do think it's important to note one thing:

The QB's with the best scores aren't necessarily the best players, but look at the scores of the good ones:

Matt Schaub 31

Eli Manning 39

Matt Stafford 38

Tony Romo 37

Aaron Rodgers 35

Tom Brady 33

Matt Ryan 32

Philip Rivers 30

Matt Hasselbeck 29

Marc Bulger 29

Peyton Manning 28

Drew Brees 28

Josh Freeman 27

Carson Palmer 26

Jay Cutler 26

Ben Roethlisberger 25

Brett Favre 22

Donovan McNabb 14

Sam Bradford, Oklahoma 36

Drew Bledsoe 36

Steve Young 33

John Elway 29

Michael Vick 20

Dan Marino 15

Terry Bradshaw 15

Randall Cunningham 15

A great majority of these guys still have scores of 25+. Just because the best wonderlick scores do not necessarily translate to being the best QB's, it does not mean that the wonderlick is pointless. Most of the QB's who do well in this league still have good scores. Sure the wonderlick isn't the be all end all, but that doesn't mean that it has nothing to say. A good wonderlick score is neither a necessary nor sufficient criteria for being a good QB. However, getting a good score should still be a significant stamp of approval, and getting a poor score is still a red flag.

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This guy seems to think that a Wonderlic score is pretty important:

http://www.fantasyfootballmetrics.com/Player_News/2011/NFL%20Draft/NFL%20Draft_2010%20Carolina%20Clausen%203-6-2011.htm

2010 = 92% of the 13 teams with a winning record in the NFL were led by a QB with a 25+ Wonderlic score QB (Vick exception, Cassel unknown, so 11 of 12 "known" teams hit it)

2010 = 100% of the NFL teams that won at least one playoff game were led by a QB with a 25+ Wonderlic score QB. No QB with a Wonderlic score under 25 won a playoff game.

2009 = 86% of the 15 NFL teams with a winning record were led by a QB with a 25+ Wonderlic score (McNabb, Favre exceptions...Warner unknown), so 12 of 14 teams hit it)

2009 = 83% of NFL teams who won a playoff game were led by a QB with a 25+ Wonderlic score (Favre breaks rule).

2009+2010 = 88% of NFL teams with a winning record in the past 2 seasons had a 25+ Wonderlic QB

2009+2010 = 92% of teams that won at least one playoff game were led by a 25+ Wonderlic QB

QBs drafted in the last decade:

2009+2010 = 96% of the NFL teams have had a winning record in the past 2 seasons were led by a QB with a 25+ Wonderlic score on a test taken in the past 10 years (2010 Vick the only exception)

2009+2010 = 0% of the NFL teams have won at least one playoff game in the past 2 seasons IF they had a QB drafted/took the Wonderlic test in the last 10 years and that QB scored a 24 or less on the test.

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They are very important, especially for QBs because it is the most mentally intense position in the game. The speed and accuracy at which you can process information and conceptualize things are extremely important for a QB if you plan on winning any games. As with anything else, there are exceptions to the rule, but it appears a QB with at least a 25 has a good shot of being a winning QB.

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Also, I think there should be a new formula and calculate in athletic ability to have a more well rounded look.

Dan Marino - 15, but throw in height and arm and you got yourself a winner.

Cunningham -15 but strong arm and bought time with his legs = winner

I think Cam's 21 is a good sign for him if his athletic ability is taken into account. If he had scored a 15 or less I would be concerned.

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Really interesting, as I kinda always just dismissed it as an indicator to intelligence but not thinking there would be statistical analysis of it available.

I am sure there are areas which refute his findings, but they tell a pretty significant picture.

Now if only there was a way to get access to the other scores...

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