Warren Moon sees racial bias regarding Cam Newton

[Swarly]

This too. Again, I don't think The Golden Calf of Bristol is a good comparison because of reasons previously mentioned but it never felt like anyone was trying to obliterate The Golden Calf of Bristol's chances to be drafted high/succeed either.

I'm not talking about this guy vs. that guy... Although generalizations are usually a bad way to look at things, the point is that across the board more black QBs are questioned for their ability to play that position than white ones. Just like white players are not viewed as natural or explosive athletes by and far... Or why Peyton Hillis is a cult hero with "deceptive speed."

thats true

it's the same dumbass reason why every single white receiver for the past few years has been compared to wes welker even if their playstyle is completely opposite

and every white basketball player is jj reddik

etc

warren moon is just an idiot for bringing race into this when there are several legitimate reasons why Newton shouldn't be drafted #1

[SCP]

So he's the labeled dumb as rocks? All I heard was he was most NFL ready guy on ESPN his only problem is slow feet. Doesn't sound like they think he's dumb. But every mock drafter and commmentator from NFL network questions whether Newton can digest the playbook alot of posters here think the same thing. Why?

I don't question his ability to learn the plays. Never have. I actually want to draft him if we decide to take a QB at one. His upside is huge IMO.

What I question is his ability to go from a spread to a pro offense immediately. You are basically relearning the QB position. 3, 5, and 7 step drops plus multiple reads in a game that is a hell of a lot faster than college. Guys like The Golden Calf of Bristol and Cam have to teach themselves to trust that 2nd and 3rd read. No easy task.

If I have to sit through another season of Jimmy Clausen I will stab my face with screwdriver. I jumped in this thread because I think the whole racist argument is kind of lame.

[Jaxel]

Mallet considered to be in the top#3 on the quarterback list early mid to late 1st

Thats on maybe half of draft boards... Locker is considered better in a lot of them, and well as Christian Ponder in some.

[ncmonzta]

thats true

it's the same dumbass reason why every single white receiver for the past few years has been compared to wes welker even if their playstyle is completely opposite

and every white basketball player is jj reddik

etc

warren moon is just an idiot for bringing race into this when there are several legitimate reasons why Newton shouldn't be drafted #1

he brought it up because it's something everyone know's but rather put it aside use other excuses. he's the first I've heard actually call it out.

[Proudiddy]

Obviously, when your mechanics BLOW hard, the emphasis will be on the fact they blow hard, but it was repeatedly brought up that his offense wouldn't transition to the NFL either and he'd need a transition time etc.

But, there wasn't an emphasis on every network and every media source placed on The Golden Calf of Bristol's intelligence or authenticity as a leader. But, again, I don't think this is a fair comparison.

This is just about everyday we get a new report on Cam's personality, authenticity, intelligence, etc.

Everyday I turned on ESPN last year pre-draft regarding The Golden Calf of Bristol, it was his mechanics first, everything else second.

And for the record, The Golden Calf of Bristol is one of my favorite non-Panther players.

[ncmonzta]

Thats on maybe half of draft boards... Locker is considered better in a lot of them, and well as Christian Ponder in some.

honestly how far do you think Newton would fall down the board if he had to answer to cocaine allegations?

[mav1234]

This too. Again, I don't think The Golden Calf of Bristol is a good comparison because of reasons previously mentioned but it never felt like anyone was trying to obliterate The Golden Calf of Bristol's chances to be drafted high/succeed either.

I'm not talking about this guy vs. that guy... Although generalizations are usually a bad way to look at things, the point is that across the board more black QBs are questioned for their ability to play that position than white ones. Just like white players are not viewed as natural or explosive athletes by and far... Or why Peyton Hillis is a cult hero with "deceptive speed."

Nobody is going to obliterate Cam Newton's draft chances... well, unless something stupid happened with Cam in the next month. He's going to get drafted and drafted very high.

The problem is that those label terms are not universally applied. They are also used on people that don't fit your stereotype of who they get put on, and often they relate to how that guy *actually* plays.

Various Big 10 announcers have said Terrelle Pryor has "deceptive speed." From http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls10/sugar/columns/story?columnist=schlabach_mark&id=5982874 :

Ambrose has noticed Pryor's deceptive speed on film.

"Sometimes he will be running beside a [defensive back] and it doesn't look like he is running fast," Ambrose said. "All of a sudden you see him just pull away."

Also, Peyton Hillis may have "deceptive speed" because he doesn't seem like he's going that fast and he isn't a blistering fast runner but once he gets going he can really move (he's got a 4.6ish 40, which is significantly slower than the "fast" guys but yeah). I also am pretty sure I heard people call Stephen Davis "deceptively fast"... but you are right that many times when people are called deceptively fast it's cause they are white and faster than expected, lol.

Ultimately you are right that there are certain terms more typically applied to players of one race than another. I just don't think that Newton is suffering from them... It's not like he has *dropped* down boards because of comments like, say, Mallet has. Almost the opposite, heh.

[Jaxel]

honestly how far do you think Newton would fall down the board if he had to answer to cocaine allegations?

I don't think he'd fall as far as some of you expect... Same way Dez didn't fall out of the first round, and look at him.

Regardless of BG some team will always take a chance on a good athlete prospect... Race is inevitable, I'm sure it's there, but it's not in every situation that involves a black athlete... if anything there are more white players that get the shaft than black players.. an this is every position but QB.

[Proudiddy]

thats true

it's the same dumbass reason why every single white receiver for the past few years has been compared to wes welker even if their playstyle is completely opposite

and every white basketball player is jj reddik

etc

warren moon is just an idiot for bringing race into this when there are several legitimate reasons why Newton shouldn't be drafted #1

I agree that there are several reasons that one could use to justify why Cam shouldn't be #1... But, the problem is, a lot of these reports we're getting about him recently have nothing to do with those reasons (they aren't football related).

[blackcatgrowl]

honestly how far do you think Newton would fall down the board if he had to answer to cocaine allegations?

Oh, some extreme haters would say he's undraftable and has no business in the NFL.

FWIW, Warren Moon is spot ON the money. He's lived through the worst of how the establishment treats black QBs, and I'd say is probably the most qualified person on the planet to be able to see racism against QBs.

Go Warren!

[Swarly]

maybe because there are legitimate concerns regarding Cam's personality/etc? you know, stuff that is backed by facts and not rumors?

[teeray]

Sure there are some white QBs that face similar questions. I am just trying to remember ONE high profile black QB that hasn't had his intelligence questioned. Freeman score a solid 27 on his wonderlic score and people questioned his ability to run an NFL offense and read defenses. He also came from a pro style offense. Yet Clausen comes from a pro style offense and scores a lower wonderlic score but is given grades like "incredible football IQ"

Again it isn't the criticisms levied but the threshold a person most cross to prove himself. That threshold is MUCH higher for a black QB. IMO

[ncmonzta]

I don't think he'd fall as far as some of you expect... Same way Dez didn't fall out of the first round, and look at him.

Regardless of BG some team will always take a chance on a good athlete prospect... Race is inevitable, I'm sure it's there, but it's not in every situation that involves a black athlete... if anything there are more white players that get the shaft than black players.. an this is every position but QB.

:confused:

[mav1234]

But, there wasn't an emphasis on every network and every media source placed on The Golden Calf of Bristol's intelligence or authenticity as a leader. But, again, I don't think this is a fair comparison.

This is just about everyday we get a new report on Cam's personality, authenticity, intelligence, etc.

Everyday I turned on ESPN last year pre-draft regarding The Golden Calf of Bristol, it was his mechanics first, everything else second.

And for the record, The Golden Calf of Bristol is one of my favorite non-Panther players.

well, the reality is that Cam Newton was arrested. That he had to leave one school because he got in trouble. That he had some huge question marks. And that honestly, his style of play typically doesn't pan out in the NFL. At the same time, the sky is the limit for him. His potential is crazy. He's in consideration for the #1. So he's a hot topic. He divides people, which makes him a popular subject for ESPN, etc. Is his race a reason for that? Partially, but I do believe if he was white AND did everything he has done he would still be a hot topic... though who knows what the tone would be.

The Golden Calf of Bristol was never in consideration for the #1. He was never in off the field trouble. and he still took crap. So meh.