Trading down and taking a QB? Crazy....

[SorthNarolina]

This is not a thread about an individual player

I'm on the BPA/Trade Down bandwagon. But if we had to draft a QB this year it would be with the 1st pick.

I don't see how it makes any sense.

If you feel like what we have isn't good enough, then why would you wait until the 2nd or 3rd to draft a guy? If you're not interested in a QB so much that you would trade down, to me that says you aren't interested in QB at all.

If you want to address QB in the draft then go big or don't draft one at all.

We already have so much youth at QB, adding more youth that isn't considered something special just doesn't make any sense. QB is the most important position so address it with the best pick.

This might sound a big naive but I doubt the FO has QBs ranked radically different than what you read in the media. I'm sure it's different but there is probably a correlation.

[CatMan72]

Agree, if you are going to draft a QB then you might as well draft him as high as possible and get the best QB in the class.

[teeray]

Why not? Stiff like that si what the Bills have been doing for years. Aren't they the model franchise??

[MHS831]

Why not? Stiff like that si what the Bills have been doing for years. Aren't they the model franchise??

I do not think reaching with the first overall pick in the draft is the solution either. The first overall pick is THREE TIMES more valuable than a first rounder in the middle of the draft. Why take a project there when you can get one later? In fact, both of the QBs who are projected in the top 10 are good athletes, but both have accuracy concerns. But we need a QB, and drafting a project who is tall and can run is the answer.

We will trade down if we can. If we take Newton or Gabbert, we will do so reluctantly.

[panthers55]

I do not think reaching with the first overall pick in the draft is the solution either. The first overall pick is THREE TIMES more valuable than a first rounder in the middle of the draft. Why take a project there when you can get one later? In fact, both of the QBs who are projected in the top 10 are good athletes, but both have accuracy concerns. But we need a QB, and drafting a project who is tall and can run is the answer.

We will trade down if we can. If we take Newton or Gabbert, we will do so reluctantly.

That logic makes no practical sense at all. As the GM for Tampa said when they drafted Freeman, we took him at 17, but we would have taken him at number 1.

If you trade down 5 spots for example you have to be prepared for the top 5 players that you want to all be gone. Otherwise you don't trade down if you really want someone, you pull the trigger.

Maybe by the value chart the top pick is worth 3 times as much as number 15 in the first round, but in reality it is not close to that big a difference.

You take the player you want at the spot you pick. You don't trade down and hope to get a specific person like a Newton or Gabbert who could both be gone by number 4. If you want a QB, project or not, you pick him at 1 so you get who you want. if you trade down more than a few spots you are ackowledging that you are fine picking the best player left but are not targeting anyone specifically and don't care if both of them are gone.

This whole idea that someone is a stretch because you picked them at 3 but they are graded out at number 20 on a draft board is a pile of poo.

[eViL jEsTeR]

We already have so much youth at QB, adding more youth that isn't considered something special just doesn't make any sense.

The only thing I would suggest there is it appears our youth isn't panning out. I am all for giving Moore and Clausen another shot in a new system run by new coaches with a healthy line and WR's with a season under their belt. But, Pike is just weak and will never be more than a 3rd string QB. I'd rather take someone like TJ Yates in later rounds and send Pike packing. Wasn't Brady drafted in the 6th? Yes we grabbed Clausen after many other teams passed on him TWICE before he finally fell to us. He was supposed to be "pro-ready" and there was all of that Weis/Davidson bla bla bla...... I still think he deserves more than a 1 year chance especially since there were so many obstacles to overcome last year.

BESIDES, NEWTON IS SIMILAR TO CLAUSEN - Clausen is 1 read and check down, Newton is 1 read and run! We need a pocket QB who will stand in the pocket and make 3-5 reads and then trow with accuracy to a reciever. Newton will not last long taking hits when running. The Golden Calf of Bristol got smashed last year. Vick got knocked out of several games when sandwiched at the goal line. Newton will take hits like that funny looking guy in Detroit and end up rarely playing 16 game seasons for us.

If he and Moore can't produce this year, chop their nuts off and we'll see where we stand with Yates or whomever.... and see where we end up for the draft next year.... should be good if our QB's fail to produce. So you see, this is turning into a 2-3 year rebuild even though many of you don't want to admit it. Picking Cam #1 this year doesn't make us a playoff or superbowl contender next season in the first year of a new head coach and new offensive and defensive schemes! So even with Cam, we are building for the next 2 years drafts and FA at a MINIMUM if not the next 3 before we become playoff contenders again in what has become a very strong division with Atlanta having already rebuilt after Vick and the Bucks about a year ahead of us on the rebuilding schedule. We're clearly the #4 team and #4's don't win divisions or wild cards so we will not make the playoffs next year with or without Cam or Gabbert so I say wait for someone better than both of them and take Dareus now!!!! (or PP, hard to pass on a future shut down corner!)

[Darth Urious]

We aren't going to draft a QB at all...

[Munch4455]

Keep in mind that the team has to keep in mind that if there is no season, and there is no real reason to think there will be(no real talks in over a month since the lockout started), we will hold the first pick in the draft next year, which projects to be one of the Best QB classes ever. Even if the NFL was to play, lets face it, odds are we wont be good. I think it makes sense to trade from 1 to 5-10, pick up a 2-3 this year and potentially a first next year. That way we can still get a guy that would be worth of a top pick in this weak draft (patterson,dareus, fairley,green) AND fill a big need for us. With that extra first that we would pick up, if we are even decent, it would be entirely possible to trade our first and the one we would gain to get in position to take luck/barkley/jones.

[CRA]

We aren't going to draft a QB at all...

then what are we doing at QB?

[Darth Urious]

then what are we doing at QB?

Matt Moore, Jimmy Clausen, (insert non-rookie name here)... Probably in that order...

[OchoNueve]

I agree with the logic, but if a situation occured where Locker, Mallet, or Ponder fell to #65 and we hadn't selected a QB #1 overall, i wouldn't be opposed to taking a chance on one of them.

[CRA]

Matt Moore, Jimmy Clausen, (insert non-rookie name here)... Probably in that order...

and you do realize all Rivera has talked about since the first day he stepped foot in Charlotte is that he needs to find a franchise QB......he also seems to only refer to Clausen and company to be polite.

We have seen Moore, we will have seen (insert vet), and saw probably the worst rookie QB play imaginable in Clausen......that seems to go against what Rivera is about imo.

[Bj-Monster23]

The only thing I would suggest there is it appears our youth isn't panning out. I am all for giving Moore and Clausen another shot in a new system run by new coaches with a healthy line and WR's with a season under their belt. But, Pike is just weak and will never be more than a 3rd string QB. I'd rather take someone like TJ Yates in later rounds and send Pike packing. Wasn't Brady drafted in the 6th? Yes we grabbed Clausen after many other teams passed on him TWICE before he finally fell to us. He was supposed to be "pro-ready" and there was all of that Weis/Davidson bla bla bla...... I still think he deserves more than a 1 year chance especially since there were so many obstacles to overcome last year.

BESIDES, NEWTON IS SIMILAR TO CLAUSEN - Clausen is 1 read and check down, Newton is 1 read and run! We need a pocket QB who will stand in the pocket and make 3-5 reads and then trow with accuracy to a reciever. Newton will not last long taking hits when running. The Golden Calf of Bristol got smashed last year. Vick got knocked out of several games when sandwiched at the goal line. Newton will take hits like that funny looking guy in Detroit and end up rarely playing 16 game seasons for us.

If he and Moore can't produce this year, chop their nuts off and we'll see where we stand with Yates or whomever.... and see where we end up for the draft next year.... should be good if our QB's fail to produce. So you see, this is turning into a 2-3 year rebuild even though many of you don't want to admit it. Picking Cam #1 this year doesn't make us a playoff or superbowl contender next season in the first year of a new head coach and new offensive and defensive schemes! So even with Cam, we are building for the next 2 years drafts and FA at a MINIMUM if not the next 3 before we become playoff contenders again in what has become a very strong division with Atlanta having already rebuilt after Vick and the Bucks about a year ahead of us on the rebuilding schedule. We're clearly the #4 team and #4's don't win divisions or wild cards so we will not make the playoffs next year with or without Cam or Gabbert so I say wait for someone better than both of them and take Dareus now!!!! (or PP, hard to pass on a future shut down corner!)

You have some great points but what you also have to think about will you have a chance to get that Quarterback later down the road. The Odds is slim to none and plus if you are not holding that top pick it will be pretty hard to get that good QB. Unless three good ones come out next year like Luck Barkley and Jones. Witch i only think two of the three will. But the key is you gotta be in the spot to get one for example we have the no.5 pick a QB go number 1 and the next at 3. And then we are out of luck again. I mean you never know. You gotta take a chance this year despite all the other talent because if you dont you may end up rebuilding for more then 3 years. If u ask me to be honest I think if we go offense Cam will be the pick but if we go defense its dareus. And trade back could be anybody.

[teeray]

Why are so many people ready to give Clausen and Moore a second chance now but didn't think they did January 5th??

Not you Darth, you were never on that train.

Honestly, if Cam was just this terrible why the hell is he in the top 20 of every draftnik's big board? If he was as bad or raw as everyone suggests wouldn't he be WAY down the everyone's board. I mean if you are willing to put a QB 15th on you board you clearly think he will likely be a good NFL QB. If not he should be around 100 or your being intellectually dishonest about his abilities.

So which is it?? Is he a franchise QB or should he be in the 100's?? If you say he should be in the 100s you are speaking against every "expert' in the business.

Otherwise you have to admit that he is a potential franchise QB and that is our greatest area of need. Go get him!! If Hurney or Rivera agree that is.

Or if you think Clausen or Moore deserves a second chance you need to admit (like darth urious) that if Luck would have come out we should have passed on him too.