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[rodeo]

1 hour ago, thefuzz said:

Wife and I were having this discussion last night....Why do the Stark's make such bad decisions?  Were they too protected in Winterfel?  Or is it that everyone is evil, and they aren't really good at recognizing it?

Ned's dopey genetics. The Starks of the past were actually boisterous, funny, extremely skilled and extremely smart. They were the Kings of Winter who conquered the North and squashed countless Bolton rebellions. But Ned was never meant to be Lord. His smarter and better brother died and it fell to him, and he and his kids are all idiots.

[CarolinaCoolin]

14 minutes ago, rodeo said:

Ned's dopey genetics. The Starks of the past were actually boisterous, funny, extremely skilled and extremely smart. They were the Kings of Winter who conquered the North and squashed countless Bolton rebellions. But Ned was never meant to be Lord. His smarter and better brother died and it fell to him, and he and his kids are all idiots.

Not sure if serious? Brandon definiteLy wasn't smarter than ned. He was a hot head and ended up getting myself killed

[thefuzz]

19 minutes ago, rodeo said:

Ned's dopey genetics. The Starks of the past were actually boisterous, funny, extremely skilled and extremely smart. They were the Kings of Winter who conquered the North and squashed countless Bolton rebellions. But Ned was never meant to be Lord. His smarter and better brother died and it fell to him, and he and his kids are all idiots.

it almost seemed that they were too nice, and didn't think/believe that the other players are as evil/manipulative as they are.

 

Reminds me of the kids that get to college that were home schooled.

[CRA]

27 minutes ago, rodeo said:

Ned's dopey genetics. The Starks of the past were actually boisterous, funny, extremely skilled and extremely smart. They were the Kings of Winter who conquered the North and squashed countless Bolton rebellions. But Ned was never meant to be Lord. His smarter and better brother died and it fell to him, and he and his kids are all idiots.

you mean compared to past Starks like Brandon (Stark) The Builder?

maybe Ned's kids are all currently idiots...but we don't know what they may become....they could be legends one day too  ;)

 

 

also, Starks seem to place honor and junk above certain things.  So they may opt out of the smart play IMO in favor of the honorable path.

 

[rodeo]

27 minutes ago, CarolinaCoolin said:

Not sure if serious? Brandon definiteLy wasn't smarter than ned. He was a hot head and ended up getting myself killed

He was smarter, even Ned admitted that. He always said 'Brandon would know what to do,' and 'He was born to be a King's Hand.' He was better looking, twice the swordsman as Ned. Having a temper doesn't make you stupid, because having no temper got Ned killed just as easily.

[rodeo]

21 minutes ago, CRA said:

you mean compared to past Starks like Brandon (Stark) The Builder?

maybe Ned's kids are all currently idiots...but we don't know what they may become....they could be legends one day too  ;)

 

 

also, Starks seem to place honor and junk above certain things.  So they may opt out of the smart play IMO in favor of the honorable path.

 

Yeah Bran the Builder, et al. Cregan Stark was one of the best swordsman in the history of Westeros. Brandon the Breaker ended the Night's King's reign (can you imagine Ned Stark defeating the Night's King? lmao) The Starks of history were way more competent than the current ones.

Also note that most of these were womanizers and drunkards. The Lord Honor McStoic thing is just a Ned trait, not a Stark trait.

[Zaximus]

Ned had his issues, but his kids, are just kids.  You can't tell with the show, but in the books Rob is only like 16 and the oldest.  These are children, not capable of making decisions like this, not to mention, high born children.  I'm sure they tried to teach them things but before it all went down, they were probably pampered somewhat.    Sparing with your brothers and horseback riding is one thing but experience is something you can't teach. 

[CarolinaCoolin]

17 minutes ago, rodeo said:

He was smarter, even Ned admitted that. He always said 'Brandon would know what to do,' and 'He was born to be a King's Hand.' He was better looking, twice the swordsman as Ned. Having a temper doesn't make you stupid, because having no temper got Ned killed just as easily.

He was saying that in the sense that Brandon was born to be lord and was taught everything on how to be a lord from birth while Ned wasn't because he was a second son. Ned is also lamenting the fact that he is even a lord in the first place because he didn't ask to be lord. Brandon's stupid actions got him and Rickard killed by demanding Rhaegar. Being better looking or a better swordsman has nothing to do with smarts. Ned is easily smarter than Brandon.

[CRA]

Just now, rodeo said:

Yeah Bran the Builder, et al. Cregan Stark was one of the best swordsman in the history of Westeros. Brandon the Breaker ended the Night's King's reign (can you imagine Ned Stark defeating the Night's King? lmao) The Starks of history were way more competent than the current ones.

Also note that most of these were womanizers and drunkards. The Lord Honor McStoic thing is just a Ned trait, not a Stark trait.

Jon Snow was raised by Ned.  All the Stark boys of the show seem to believe in the Ned "trait" IMO.

Well, Brandon the Builder did magical and impossible things per the stories....so yeah, Rickon not realizing a little zig zag might be wise does make him look about as silly as possible in a past/present Stark comparison.

but Bran is going to break this whole show in half IMO...

[Zaximus]

7 minutes ago, CRA said:

Jon Snow was raised by Ned.  All the Stark boys of the show seem to believe in the Ned "trait" IMO.

Well, Brandon the Builder did magical and impossible things per the stories....so yeah, Rickon not realizing a little zig zag might be wise does make him look about as silly as possible in a past/present Stark comparison.

but Bran is going to break this whole show in half IMO...

But that Brandon was a different Brandon......then Ned's brother that is.

[CRA]

17 minutes ago, Zaximus said:

But that Brandon was a different Brandon......then Ned's brother that is.

yes, I am referring to Stark heritage....Brandon the Builder is the most legendary.

I still think it is early to be knocking on Ned's boys vs the prior Starks.  Snow and Bran will be men talk about for ages

[party_animal]

I'm confused here. Eddard's brother was Rickard Stark. Brandon the Builder is an ancestor.

I think the Stark kids and even Ned weren't ready for what was thrust upon them. Jon seems to be adapting but not as well as Sansa.

[CRA]

28 minutes ago, party_animal said:

I'm confused here. Eddard's brother was Rickard Stark. Brandon the Builder is an ancestor.

I think the Stark kids and even Ned weren't ready for what was thrust upon them. Jon seems to be adapting but not as well as Sansa.

You can critique everyone in real time.  Legends wouldn't of been flawless if critiqued as their work was in progress.

my only point is....Bran and Snow will be legends IMO.  So it hard to label them weak links in the historic Stark family tree 

[CarolinaCoolin]

26 minutes ago, party_animal said:

I'm confused here. Eddard's brother was Rickard Stark. Brandon the Builder is an ancestor.

I think the Stark kids and even Ned weren't ready for what was thrust upon them. Jon seems to be adapting but not as well as Sansa.

No. Eddard had two brothers. Oldest Brandon and younger Benjen. His father was Rickard. In the Stark family many generations named a son Brandon after Bran the builder from the age of heroes. It's the same way a lot of Targareyens name sons Aegon after the one who conquered westeros. 

You are right about not being ready. You have to remember there was a 20 year relative peace after the Rebellion which everyone kept to themselves and their Kingdoms. The Game in which everyone got thrust into is something none of our Stark characters were ready for. They weren't raised that way.