NFLN made interesting point on Cam

[Captain Obvious]

Do any teams in the NFC South have a Thomas Davis lite on their roster? That's what teams will need to stop Cam, just as Carolina developed him pretty much solely to stop Vick. The difference between the two, is that Vick relied on arm strength and his ability to move the chains on the ground, thus making coverage on his receivers and Alge Crumpler a lot softer. He has been interviewed by Mora himself and said he used to le the DVD's of game film stack up because he wouldn't watch them. Granted, I do think Philly has a better scheme and coaching staff that is uber QB friendly, but Vick is putting in the extra work now.

We as Panthers fans are lucky because we now have a bigger, stronger version of Vick, who is a perfectionist and is putting the work in before he's well north of 30 and has lost a little of that athleticness. There's no doubt in my mind that Cam will be a good pocket passer, but will also still have the ability to extend plays and make positive yardage on busted plays as well.

Narcissists often are pseudo-perfectionists and require being the center of attention and create situations where they will receive attention. This attempt at being perfect is cohesive with the narcissist's grandiose self-image. If a perceived state of perfection isn't reached it can lead to guilt, shame, anger or anxiety because he/she believes that he/she will lose the imagined love and admiration from other people if he/she isn’t perfect.

Might be better definition of Cam than perfectionist.

[Davidson Deac II]

So if we put Cam in the shotgun and spread out 4 wide with Olsen in the slot, you're going to play the run?

Good luck with that...

I didn't say anything about playing the run. I said encourage Cam to pass. Defend against Cam running, ie like we use to do with Vick and Thomas Davis. Force him to beat you with his arm, not with his legs.

[Davidson Deac II]

lots of good QBs have thrown a lot of INTs.

what makes them good is hitting enough of the big throws downfield that they become a legit threat.

i agree that he has to be an effective passing threat, but INTs by themselves aren't going to stop that by himself. brett favre was an INT machine, but he was also a big play and TD machine as well.

Depends on where those INT's are thrown to. If he throws them on deep passes, not so bad. If he throws them on medium range passes, worse but still not terrible. If he throws them on the short passes, very bad. And watching Cam, his accuracy on the deep balls is good. On the short and medium range stuff though, it was hit and miss.

I do think he will improve though, given time.

[mj4life]

you don't want steve smith or greg olsen in single man coverage. you definitely don't want both of them. those two are going to occupy at least 3 defenders. you add in the cam spy and then that's 4. you add in 2-3 more receivers (doesn't matter if it's TE, RB, or WR) and you potentially have yourself a nightmare scenario for a DC.

makes DC's think about how to play us, play aggressive & maybe get beat deep or play soft & give up yardage

[Davidson Deac II]

you don't want steve smith or greg olsen in single man coverage. you definitely don't want both of them. those two are going to occupy at least 3 defenders. you add in the cam spy and then that's 4. you add in 2-3 more receivers (doesn't matter if it's TE, RB, or WR) and you potentially have yourself a nightmare scenario for a DC.

If the qback can get the ball to them consistently, then you are correct. If not, then I think defensive coordinators will take more risk in the secondary.

[chef17]

you don't want steve smith or greg olsen in single man coverage. you definitely don't want both of them. those two are going to occupy at least 3 defenders. you add in the cam spy and then that's 4. you add in 2-3 more receivers (doesn't matter if it's TE, RB, or WR) and you potentially have yourself a nightmare scenario for a DC.

I agree, that's why in my first post I said a lot depends on Smith. Due to bad QB play recently Smith hasn't looked great. Until he proves he is still a great threat, teams MAY decide to leave him in single coverage. I haven't seen much of Olsen so I can't comment on him. Until our WR group proves otherwise, I think it is possible DCs could leave them in single coverage with a safety deep.

[DaveThePanther2008]

I agree and I think we saw and will continue to see in the preseason a very vanilla offense with Cam under center. I expect once the season starts to see players moving all around the place and Cam rolling out quite often in the red zone.

He isn't ready to be a drop back passer on every down. In the meantime (a la Vick), Rivera will likely use his strengths to get mismatches.

1. Newton is a far more polished Pocket Passer than Vick ever was coming out of college.

2. I believe I read or heard somewhere that Newton was a pocket passer in High School and it wasn't until he went to Florida/Blinn/Auburn that he was encouraged to be more mobile. I may be wrong but I don't think so. Hopefully there will be some backup on this...

3. I thought he looked fairly comfortable considering he was with 2nd and 3rd string OL.

[TheRealDeal]

If you go 4 wide you blitz the hell out of him.

It's really not that difficult. Attack him from everywhere until he shows you he can read a blitz, step up in the face of pressure, and deliver the football where it needs to be and not throw off his back foot.

I expect to see heavy blitzes every time this team is in some sort of spread formation

[MadHatter]

1. Newton is a far more polished Pocket Passer than Vick ever was coming out of college.

2. I believe I read or heard somewhere that Newton was a pocket passer in High School and it wasn't until he went to Florida/Blinn/Auburn that he was encouraged to be more mobile. I may be wrong but I don't think so. Hopefully there will be some backup on this...

3. I thought he looked fairly comfortable considering he was with 2nd and 3rd string OL.

But, Cam is NOWHERE NEAR the threat with his legs that Vick was. He does not posess the speed and elusiveness that was Vick's biggest asset early on.

He is mobile and should be able to make some plays with his legs if the pocket breaks down. But, do not kid yourself and think that he is the running weapon that Vick was.

He is NOT.

[Dash Global]

"No Where Near" the running threat as vick?!?

Lol that is def not true. Both are lethal with their legs.

Cam is crafty as hell with the ball and makes the first defender miss most of time to go along with a 4.59 forty time.

He is a threat running the ball on every series

[Zod]

"No Where Near" the running threat as vick?!?.

accurate

Vick was the all time leader in dangerous running threat QBs

[Dash Global]

Like I said both a lethal and make DC account for them on almost every play.

Vick is faster, Cam is harder to bring down and will run over db's and some lb's.

Both are crafty and make the first man miss.

Both are nightmares to deal with. To say no where near is abit much

[Davidson Deac II]

Like I said both a lethal and make DC account for them on almost every play.

Vick is faster, Cam is harder to bring down and will run over db's and some lb's.

Both are crafty and make the first man miss.

Both are nightmares to deal with. To say no where near is abit much

I agree, although I really don't want to see Cam running over defenders, unless its a critical play.

[MadHatter]

"No Where Near" the running threat as vick?!?

Lol that is def not true. Both are lethal with their legs.

Cam is crafty as hell with the ball and makes the first defender miss most of time to go along with a 4.59 forty time.

He is a threat running the ball on every series

I said that Cam WILL make plays with his legs. But he will NOT be the running threat that Vick was.

To think he will be is ridiculous.