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Interesting Lions Comparison from John Clayton (of all people)


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i grew bored so I checked out his mailbag. I ran across someone asking this question:

Q: If you take into account team stats and sheer grit and perseverance, the Carolina Panthers are playing just as well as any team out there and continue to be a threat to elite teams like the Packers and Saints. DeAngelo Williams finally had a good game against New Orleans. Cam Newton looks comfortable and continues to be angry whenever the team falls short. What's your take on Carolina?

His response:

A: The Panthers are playing well, but the players who are not named Cam Newton are making the mistakes that are costing them games. If they clean up those mistakes, the Panthers will start getting some victories. The Panthers also have a brutal schedule, which isn't making it any easier. The addition of Newton gives them the chance to win and compete against the best teams. They made the right move in drafting him. I compare the Panthers to what we saw of the Detroit Lions last year. It took the Lions until the final four weeks of the season to figure out how to win. Once they did, they haven't lost since.

The bolded part is what I'm most interested in. Thought I've seen a few Lions comparisons up here before, but this really had me thinking a bit. I know we're on the verge of turning the corner and I know the Lions have only just begun, but is this the right comparison (and expectation) for this team? I know we need to be patient with this team, but we do have a foundation in place.

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i grew bored so I checked out his mailbag. I ran across someone asking this question:

His response:

The bolded part is what I'm most interested in. Thought I've seen a few Lions comparisons up here before, but this really had me thinking a bit. I know we're on the verge of turning the corner and I know the Lions have only just begun, but is this the right comparison (and expectation) for this team? I know we need to be patient with this team, but we do have a foundation in place.

It's the right comparison because it's true. We are so damn close to winning all these games, just like the lions were, and we will get there eventually.

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But next year I really do believe we are going to be straight up nasty on both sides of the ball. I just hope we get our Special teams together. Need a really good unit there. I am hoping we can snag Ryan Broyles in the 2nd round after getting a DT in the first. He would be an outstanding kick returner solely for a few years, until he transitions to wide reciever like steve smith did.

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I thought he was going to compare the 2003 Panthers to the 2011 Lions. There are a lot of similarities in my opinion (except the Lions rely on passing while the 03 Panthers relied on rushing).

And the 2003 Panthers started 5-0, then lost game six against Tennessee. The Lions are due to lose, they have clawed victories out of sure defeat a few times.

Too bad our stud WR isn't as young as Detroit's.

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And the 2003 Panthers started 5-0, then lost game six against Tennessee. The Lions are due to lose, they have clawed victories out of sure defeat a few times.

Too bad our stud WR isn't as young as Detroit's.

Perhaps Arma-Gettis will have his breakout season next year and we will have somebody just as young. Yes, it's wishful thinking, but damn I hope so.

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Cam is a better QB then Staffird

He wasn't trying to make a literal comparison or make a statement about how the teams play or about their styles. It was about two teams showing improvement and getting confidence before turning the corner.

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And the 2003 Panthers started 5-0, then lost game six against Tennessee. The Lions are due to lose, they have clawed victories out of sure defeat a few times.

Too bad our stud WR isn't as young as Detroit's.

yea dude he is, he just hurt, you should know he is your avy :D

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