I think

[Gin and Juice]

Taking anything from last night's game is absurd. The Jets were coming off a huge physical and mental beatdown three days prior at the hands of a division rival. They had to travel to Denver and play a game their hearts weren't in

The only coaching that needs to be spoke on is that by Rex Ryan! Denver and The Golden Calf of Bristol are still dwellers that show glimpses of hope.....much like us. They just benefitted from the situation, we would have beaten last night Jets also.

[davos]

John Fox had his time here and looks like he hit the refresh button quite well this year. Given our offseason & completely changing schemes its stupid to say fire the coach but its stupid to not criticize him at all.

Both sides on this issue need to take their heads outta there asses. This is a stupid debate

Accept coaches hit speed bumps and struggle. Accept players hit speed bumps and struggle. Get on with it now. If you've been a Panther fan for a while, this shouldn't make ya all crazy. I've said it before, this year feels like a 2000.

[jtnc]

Only thing Rivera gets the blame on imo, are penalties.

[rayzor]

Only thing Rivera gets the blame on imo, are penalties.

i would only put part of the blame on him, though. he can't make those guys thinhk. he can prepare them and penalize them, but when it comes down to the heat of the moment, it's their own fault for getting stupid.

sure....it falls on his shoulders because he's the coach, but these are professional players and it's up to them to play mistake free.

[CRA]

I've been saying it for weeks, Ron Rivera is a dumbass. He won't last as our coach past the 2012 season.

Rivera has proven to be a great defensive coach....pending he has a somewhat decent roster.

He has already hired a coach that has turned the leagues worst offense into a top offense using a rookie QB and no offseason....

[PantherPhann89]

I guess you missed the game last week....

and you also are forgetting Stew's success compared to DWill, yet Rivera sucks? make some f**king sense before you post....

especially in regards to this bullpoo.. ;)

Since I'm not making any f**king sense, make this make sense for me.....

[rayzor]

I hear you guys. Yes we have injuries. We've lost Beason, Davis, Gettis, Otah, Edwards, Goodson, Barnidge, Scwartz and a few others. All I'm saying is, how come we can't coach who we have to win. Is that too much to expect from our Coaching Staff?

yes.

if we could win with just anyone, we would. the guys that are backups are backups for a reason. they aren't as good as they guys in front of them.

the guys that really hurt are beason, davis, and otah. the other guys we could have done without, though gettis sure would have been great to have around and would have helped.

if we had guys that had been in the system for years....yeah, we would have done better. but this is a very young team...with a new coaching staff...with a new system on offense and defense....without the benefit of a full much needed offseason....without the benefit of our franchise MLB helping things stay together on defense.

there are just too many things working against the team this year. it sucks, but thems the breaks. even if everyone stayed healthy it was going to be a challenge. we didn't stay healthy. the roster has been in constant turmoil all season. people are starting who shouldn't be. those backup starters had other roles that they were counted on to fill, but now we have 3rd string guys doing things that 2nd string guys should be doing on special teams while these 2nd stringers are playing the role of 1st stingers...which they aren't suited or able to do at the level we needed.

like it or not, there is no one to blame.

[bleys]

Since I'm not making any f**king sense, make this make sense for me.....

in order for this to make any sense to you, please feel free to turn ON your common sense detector for a minute..

Every team has injuries, maybe except Green Bay. But I'm tired of that excuse every year. New coaching staff, new ideas, new gameplan has yeilded the same results. Coaching = Mindsets, Better Coaching = Better Mindsets.

when you think of GB, do you think of a 1st year coaching staff with a very young team riddled with injuries that directly affects STs learning 3 new phases to the game having no offseason?

no one can spell this out any clearer without making you any more of a dumbass for comparing us to Green Bay and expecting all of this change within 9 games..... despite hiring the right OC to deliver a top 10 offense while patchworking the defense the best they can and having them show up last week.

but what tops it off is you comparing these 9 games with a new staff to the last 9 years with John Fox.. as if that has any bearing right now..

follow me son.. I will lead you to enlightenment...

[PantherPhann89]

in order for this to make any sense to you, please feel free to turn ON your common sense detector for a minute..

when you think of GB, do you think of a 1st year coaching staff with a very young team riddled with injuries that directly affects STs learning 3 new phases to the game having no offseason?

no one can spell this out any clearer without making you any more of a dumbass for comparing us to Green Bay and expecting all of this change within 9 games..... despite hiring the right OC to deliver a top 10 offense while patchworking the defense the best they can and having them show up last week.

but what tops it off is you comparing these 9 games with a new staff to the last 9 years with John Fox.. as if that has any bearing right now..

follow me son.. I will lead you to enlightenment...

First off, I never compaired us to Green Bay. I said that every team has injuries, maybe except Green Bay. Yes we are a young team with injuries and yes I do blame the coaching staff when we fill crucial position injuries, ie: DT, with players that are viewed as less capable than equal. Who else is to blame? And I'm not compairing 9 games with a new coaching staff to the last 9 years with Fox. Again, I said that if Fox can create a game plan to win with The Golden Calf of Bristol, Rivera should be able to create a game plan to win with Cam. I feel that we can develope Cam and win games at the same time, which still gives him (Cam) the same exposure and experience....w/o all the loses. Your direction does not lead to enlightenment and thanks for the invite but I will not follow. This is Forum for Carolina Panther Fans to express their views and opinions. It is also a Forum to field responses to those views and opinions, however; those responses, such as your doesn't have to be ignorant, rude or disrespectful...unless they were released from such a vessel.

I'm not here to be rude, disrespect, bash, attempt to embarrass or insult anyone. I'm a Carolina Panther Fan that enjoys this forum b/c it discusses my favorite team: The Carolina Panthers.

[rainwater]

Denver has a pretty awesome defense. The Panthers have one of the worst defenses in the league. Not much else to say.

[Herb]

The Broncos and The Golden Calf of Bristol winning is the the absolute worst thing for that franchise in the long run. The Golden Calf of Bristol is not the answer and Fox isn't the answer for any team. Their defense is definitely pretty good in Denver, but they have all of the makings of a consistent .500 team. Which is exactly what Fox gives you. What they need to do is get their asses kicked more often like the Lions and Packers game. It's all false hope right now. They're thinking The Golden Calf of Bristol is the answer, but these last second wins will not continue. He is not a capable NFL QB. And the longer they string him along the worse they'll be in the end.

On the flipside the Panthers actually aren't getting the extra wins the Broncos have. But that is going to pay off for us in the long run. Our team is actually building for the future and will continue to improve. Especially when we get healthy again. Broncos are just a quick fix right now, but they still probably won't make the playoffs. The remind me a lot of the 2008 Dolphins. They're more lucky than good and it's just a temporary fix.

I would much rather lose now and build a winner (2008 Green Bay) than just have instant success. We're on the right path. The Broncos aren't.

[PantherPhann89]

The Broncos and The Golden Calf of Bristol winning is the the absolute worst thing for that franchise in the long run. The Golden Calf of Bristol is not the answer and Fox isn't the answer for any team. Their defense is definitely pretty good in Denver, but they have all of the makings of a consistent .500 team. Which is exactly what Fox gives you. What they need to do is get their asses kicked more often like the Lions and Packers game. It's all false hope right now. They're thinking The Golden Calf of Bristol is the answer, but these last second wins will not continue. He is not a capable NFL QB. And the longer they string him along the worse they'll be in the end.

On the flipside the Panthers actually aren't getting the extra wins the Broncos have. But that is going to pay off for us in the long run. Our team is actually building for the future and will continue to improve. Especially when we get healthy again. Broncos are just a quick fix right now, but they still probably won't make the playoffs. The remind me a lot of the 2008 Dolphins. They're more lucky than good and it's just a temporary fix.

I would much rather lose now and build a winner (2008 Green Bay) than just have instant success. We're on the right path. The Broncos aren't.

I completely agree with you. I just feel that even with our depleted defense, we've still been close games. Yes this is partially because of our defense, but if our offense can control the clock more with shorter passes and more ground game then we won't have to depend on our defense as much. I know it won't work out this way all the time, but what we're doing ain't working either.....except for what you said............the long run. I can wait for wins, but I just wanna win now.

[pantherclaw]

our problem is coaching. Denver is winning games while we focus on developing Cam. They are actually going with a game plan thats working for them while ours is falling short week after week. Enough of pointing at players, I'm pointing at RR. Maybe the reason it took him so long to be a Head Coach is that he can't coach. If Fox can win in Denver with The Golden Calf of Bristol, we should be able to win with Cam. Granted I also think that Denver's defense is better than ours right now. Which still forces me to point at RR, a defensive coach from the Chargers and Dermontt, a defensive coach from the Eagles. And if I spelled his name wrong, o well, you get my point. This is fustrating as hell. We're good, actually good. We've probably got the best offense that I ever remember us having and we can't win.

coaches fault for injured star defensive players?

That's the #1 reason for our defensive performance. Like it or not.