Cam hasn't taken a step back

[CRA]

Winning and losing is a team stat, I know.

Offensive efficiency and a total offenses yards per point efficiency ratio is an offensive stat. 95% percent of the teams who have above average efficiency in offense have winning records.

The more efficient offense wins the game 99%. Offensive efficiency is the next most important statistic. Your offense's efficiency also decides whether or not you have a good defense.

And they probably got there because they had a very efficient offense overall(running usually helps become one). So it made for a very good defense. But to have a efficient offense in the first place you need disciplined quarterback that understands what it means to have one or a coach that knows what it takes to have one and makes sure the rookie follows his directions as instructed and executes what's being asked.

okay cool, now why don't you look at the W/L record for teams who sport both a bottom 5 D and bottom 5 ST unit on the same team.

Only way to win is to have a HOF QB in his prime in that scenario....

[panthers55]

None. Because that's not what yards per point is and it certainly isn't designed for that. It's used for that. But it's your offense's efficiency measurement. It measures your offenses' ability to score points efficiently, which would make it the absolute most important measurement for a team.

You are just using dumbass regurgitated phrases by others to basically discount the most important statistic for an offense.

That which determines how efficient you are at scoring points!

And who cares? Oh I don't know anyone that likes football, wants to know what makes a good football team and cares about ranking teams or competition? Anybody that likes college football? Anybody that likes NFL. Anybody that wants to know how good your offense might be at scoring points? Anybody that cares about winning. Anybody that cares about the playoffs. Anybody that cares about the Super Bowl. All of those people would care about offensive efficiency and yards per point. Anyone who cares about reality and not fantasy. Facts and not opinions. Anyone who cares about winning in general and what we can do to become better at it?

Do any of you fit in that category anymore? It's hard for this forum to have any credibility when you call people who care about this, trolls while you go around all day and spout opinion that has nothing to do with reality. I'm just trying to help.

Because it's a direct correlation and indication of every single one of those things. And it's the best one at it. It's also the best possible way to figure out which part of your team is better!

So why the hell should anyone give a damn about any of those other stats you like to throw around if you don't first look at this one when those are far less meaningful and this one matters the most? Not to mention it includes every single one of them in it?

Hard to give credence to a stat that isn't an official stat by the NFL. Or trolls like you that derail threads arguing useless points no one cares about.

[panthers55]

Cam is on pace....

When all is said in done to account for more yards and more TDs than any rookie QB in NFL history.....

Cam ain't the problem. Cam is a rookie. The defense and ST in Carolina are a joke....simple and plain. You want to win you look at fixing the D and ST.

Points for versus points against. Only thing that matters. How many yards you got along the way is totally irrelevant. We know it and everyone who isn't a troll knows it. Might as well let it go. The point of trolling is baiting folks. And he is good at it.

Anyone who can't see the defense is the problem wouldn't be able to understand midget football let alone the NFL.

[BigSyke]

the usual suspects at it again in an never ending meaningless void argument trollin every thread in the huddle universe...............

cam is still learing, might ahve been hurt, asked to do much as a rookie or even as a qb(how many sb have brady won without those good defenses.....)

defense are planning and he has some unlucky tips this year, anout 3 have been intercepted this year, that lafell pass was good could have a had bit more air unfer it though, like in the viking game.

but overall reguardless of what FAKEDAT says, DEFENSE IS THE PROBLEM, playcalling, then redzone scoring, stupid penalties, and special teams

and chud is good but its the TIME WHEN they are calling plays that are bad.

like on 1 and 10 with over 2 mins left, game tied..... you call a pass????????????? there was no need to rush. slowly move down the feild until no time is left kick a feild goal or score, BECAUSE THIS DEFENSE CANT STOP ANYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! even if cam would have scored, lions would have went right down and scored again it would have been 43-42, because they have got that 2 pt con and would be no more time left.....

[AceMan]

the usual suspects at it again in an never ending meaningless void argument trollin every thread in the huddle universe...............

Blame the mods and the sheer perseverance/ego of one troll

[King Taharqa]

Some of the mods are openly sympathetic to these trolls and their cause so it shouldnt surprise the freedoms and rights they enjoy on this board even after being banned. For the sake of balance we need to keep these trolls around to counter all this Newtonmania. I mean we dont want the people on this board feeling like they have to support and rally behind their QB to be Panther fans. If only we could get these trolls to keep suggesting we bring in Mike Vick over and over then wed know theyd be eradicated permanently.

*puts on Matt Forte jersey and sips Yohoo*

"Now quit yer bitchin! Just because they create 25 alts to say the QB sucks doesnt mean they arent Panther fans! Listen to em goddamit! If everybody up here loved Cam Newton personally I think itd suck"

How many people on here give a crap about a stat designed to handicap games for betting purposes being used extraneously to criticize our offense?? About 5 people it seems from the responses???

How many folks think YPP accurately tells the tale of our team issues right now and where we are struggling??? About 1 from what I can tell if you strip all the PFFL alts away.

Why would someone come on this board and keep brining up the same crap and getting banned only to show up later with another ALT until they can get their old one back?? And keep doing the same thing over and over.

Hard to say. Lets ask TRD and PFFL and see what the answer is.

Who thinks at this time of year we would mostly all be thankful if we had a way of putting trolls and irritants into smack where people would have to go to argue with them rather than suffer through their drivel on the main page. Hard to believe this site will ever reach credibility if you just read the majority of posts on here particularly after a loss.

[TrueDat]

I already counted you as the one who cares. I was looking for everyone else. One question though. Does YPP appear on any stat kept by NFL.com which is recognized as the official source for the league. If so, where it is? If not why not. I wonder why you take up hundred of posts under several alts discussing an unofficial stat deemed unimportant by the NFL. Maybe it is because only you and a handful of others care and the world isn't about you. Maybe they think it is irrelevant and not as good as you think. Or maybe it is better described by something else which is simply points and who cares about the yards which mean nothing.

In any event why not shut up and stop trying to dominate the conversation when you keep derailing threads, let others contribute.

Well of course it is since it's freaking Points Per Game(PPG) and Total Offense(YPG). They are two official stats used together.

See this is YARDS PER GAME(TOTAL OFFENSE): http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2011&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=TOTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1

And this one is called SCORING(POINTS PER GAME): http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=SCORING&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&season=2011&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go

YPG/PPG.

That's all points per game is. That's all you do to figure out a ratio of anything. In this case you take the two most important NFL stats and put a slash between them so you can use them together in a phrase, conversation, ranking, etc. It's about as official as it gets. When you plug in the actual numbers it gives you a new number. The NFL isn't going to do this step for you(and they have their reasons...but if you had common sense you would at least ask yourself why they bury the points per game stat so far back in their site most people never look at it). They already gave everyone what they need and they figure you are either smart enough to figure out which two stats matter most in the sport: points and yards, and in which order, or you deserve to remain stupid:D

To make the connection and get the result of the division you just need a brain, who understands the words "ratio" and "efficiency" it and high school level algebra. Remember Algebra? It means a fraction. Or a division.

And if you can't do all of that, you should be able to at least count. And those who know how to divide did it for you: http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/yards-per-point

Instead of calling me a troll, you should at least stop regurgitating "hearsay" that you got from other uninformed posters and telling people who might care or who already get this: "it doesn't matter", just because you have been ignorant for a long time.

And once again, it's not a handful of others. But rather a big handful of people who are simply better when it comes to using NFL football stats and rankings and understand the sport better. And so far I have already posted more authoritative sources than any of the people that keep going around spouting off nothing but their personal opinion of what it is. I actually have posted some pretty credible sources using it just like I am on football teams this year:

So read this entire article and get learned. Knowledge is power man:

Quantifying Team-Wide Efficiency

We track each NFL team in two key measures of efficiency. We call them Scoreability (offensive efficiency) and Bendability (defensive efficiency), which quantifies the bend-but-don't-break phenomenon. These are two of our Quality Stats, indicators that have a direct correlation to winning football games.

Each indicator takes into account a variety of factors that go into winning football, including proficiency of special teams, field position, red zone offense and defense, penalties, third-down offense and defense and turnover differential, and spits out those performances in an easy-to-understand number.

Essentially, we measure how each team performs in so-called "situational football." Put most simply, Scoreability and Bendability tell us which teams are smart and well-coached and which teams are not.

And no team right now is smarter or more well-coached than Harbaugh's 49ers:

• No. 1 in Scoreability through Week 7.

• No. 1 in Bendability through Week 7.

Harbaugh's team is boldly sailing into uncharted waters of efficiency. Since we began tracking these indicators in 2004, no team has ranked No. 1 in both offensive and defensive efficiency.

Keep in mind that these measures are much more than just intellectual exercises by stat geeks far removed from the sidelines. Proficiency in these indicators is critical to team success: teams that win the Scoreability-Bendability battle of efficiency are 83-20 (.806) through Week 7, including an incredible 23-3 in the last two weeks (.885).

In other words, smart, efficient teams win football games. Dumb, inefficient teams lose football games. (We track the Correlation to Victory of these and many other stats at CHFF Insider.)

Harbaugh's 49ers are 5-1 and the surprise story of 2011 because they are the smartest, most efficient in football.

A Record Pace Of Scoring Efficiency

We measure each team's Scoreabilty through Yards Per Point Scored -- how many yards you need to score the equivalent of a single point. The lower the number, the better.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/kerry_byrne/10/26/49ers.coaching/index.html#ixzz1eRd1P7Ys

No mention of betting in there is it?

They like to use the term "Scoreability"(scoring ability) and then put in parenthesis"(offensive efficiency)" And then told you it is "yard per point" = YPG/PPG

So offensive efficiency = yards per points = YPG/PPG, two official stats from NFL.com. And it's the most critical of stat that most directly means winning, as also explained in that article. You might as well call it a "winning efficiency ratio" because that's what happens 99% of the time. The more efficient offense wins the game.

So what more proof do you need to realize you guys are being the trolls and clearly have no idea what the most important stat is when it comes to your Carolina Panthers: the one that means winning and losing?

[panthers55]

Points for versus points against. Totally accounts for all winning and losing. Nothing else to say. No game was ever won by yards for versus yards against. None.

[carolinarolls]

consider the dead horse beaten

Yards Per Point = is a cheat used by people who bet, mostly used when they bet on teams they are not familiar with.

It has no place in a discussion about the state of the team or any game played. It certainly is not acceptable in a discussion about the effectiveness or lack thereof of a single player. The latter is true even if you believe trudat.

Considering the title and topic of the thread YPP by trudat's definition(S) has no place in the discussion.

/trudat's rambling

[teeray]

Well of course it is since it's freaking Points Per Game(PPG) and Total Offense(YPG). They are two official stats used together.

See this is YARDS PER GAME(TOTAL OFFENSE): http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2011&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=TOTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1

And this one is called SCORING(POINTS PER GAME): http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=SCORING&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&season=2011&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go

YPG/PPG.

That's all points per game is. That's all you do to figure out a ratio of anything. In this case you take the two most important NFL stats and put a slash between them so you can use them together in a phrase, conversation, ranking, etc. It's about as official as it gets. When you plug in the actual numbers it gives you a new number. The NFL isn't going to do this step for you(and they have their reasons...but if you had common sense you would at least ask yourself why they bury the points per game stat so far back in their site most people never look at it). They already gave everyone what they need and they figure you are either smart enough to figure out which two stats matter most in the sport: points and yards, and in which order, or you deserve to remain stupid:D

To make the connection and get the result of the division you just need a brain, who understands the words "ratio" and "efficiency" it and high school level algebra. Remember Algebra? It means a fraction. Or a division.

And if you can't do all of that, you should be able to at least count. And those who know how to divide did it for you: http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/yards-per-point

Instead of calling me a troll, you should at least stop regurgitating "hearsay" that you got from other uninformed posters and telling people who might care or who already get this: "it doesn't matter", just because you have been ignorant for a long time.

And once again, it's not a handful of others. But rather a big handful of people who are simply better when it comes to using NFL football stats and rankings and understand the sport better. And so far I have already posted more authoritative sources than any of the people that keep going around spouting off nothing but their personal opinion of what it is. I actually have posted some pretty credible sources using it just like I am on football teams this year:

So read this entire article and get learned. Knowledge is power man:

No mention of betting or predictions in there is it?

They like to use the term "Scoreability"(scoring ability) and then put in parenthesis"(offensive efficiency)" And then told you it is "yard per point" = YPG/PPG

So offensive efficiency = yards per points = YPG/PPG, two official stats from NFL.com. And it's the most critical of stat that most directly means winning, as also explained in that article. You might as well call it a "winning efficiency ratio" because that's what happens 99% of the time. The more efficient offense wins the game.

So what more proof do you need to realize you guys are being the trolls and clearly have no idea what the most important stat is when it comes to your Carolina Panthers: the one that means winning and losing?

The author Kerry Byrne is the publisher from CHFF (Cold Hard Football Facts). What does he have to say about YPP?? Lets find out:

(The Scoreability Index is a "Quality Stat" because it has a direct correlation to winning football games. Read more about this team-wide measure of scoring efficiency here.)

Remember, the Scoreability Index is not merely an offensive indicator! It is a team-wide measurement of ability to turn yards into points. It takes into account a variety of factors (including proficiency of defense and special teams, red zone offense, and turnover differential) and then spits it all out in an easy-to-understand number.

He even said in your article:

Note: Scoreability counts ALL points, not just those generated by the offense. The scoreboard does not care how those points get there, only that they do. Well-coached teams score points as many ways as possible. Scoreabilty rewards teams for proficiency in all phases of the game; Bendability applies the same rules to defense.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/kerry_byrne/10/26/49ers.coaching/index.html#ixzz1eRl90SFN

So even he knows that it is a team stat and not necessarily indicative of your offense

[CLTPanther]

File this thread away in the who gives a poo archive Mods

[TrueDat]

Points for versus points against. Totally accounts for all winning and losing. Nothing else to say. No game was ever won by yards for versus yards against. None.

That's great but that says nothing about the team's ability to score them or ability to win or how good and efficient they are at winning. Just that it did.

Points for or against tells you nothing about your team's offensive efficiency. Understand? It's efficiency that matters. Neither points, nor yards. But that efficiency or the offense's ability to score, is what create the wins and losses or those points versus or against.

Not to mention, that is included in yards per play. Which is why offensive efficiency is better than that one because it includes it and says a lot of other things on top of the fact it scored more points. Because what you are saying only accounts for one side of the two most important stats in the NFL: points. Nothing about yards. Nothing about turning yards into points. Nothing about a team's ability to do that, or how good, or efficient they are at doing just that.

That's why everyone says it's the most critical of stats. They don't say that about points for or versus, do they? They are talking about this one: yards per play.

For fugs sake...:mad2:

[teeray]

That's great but that says nothing about the team's ability to score them or ability to win or how good and efficient they are at winning. Just that it did.

Points for or against tells you nothing about your team's offensive efficiency. Understand? It's efficiency that matters. Neither points, nor yards. But that efficiency or the offense's ability to score, is what create the wins and losses or those points versus or against.

Not to mention, that is included in yards per play. Which is why offensive efficiency is better than that one because it includes it and says a lot of other things on top of the fact it scored more points. Because what you are saying only accounts for one side of the two most important stats in the NFL: points. Nothing about yards. Nothing about turning yards into points. Nothing about a team's ability to do that, or how good, or efficient they are at doing just that.

That's why everyone says it's the most critical of stats. They don't say that about points for or versus, do they? They are talking about this one: yards per play.

For fugs sake...:mad2:

So you honestly think that the Panthers had a top of the NFL rankings offensive efficiency performance on Sunday??

If not you have to admit it isn't a offensive efficiency stat (or at least a pretty pooty one)

[panthers55]

That's great but that says nothing about the team's ability to score them or ability to win or how good and efficient they are at winning. Just that it did.

Points for or against tells you nothing about your team's offensive efficiency. Understand? It's efficiency that matters. Neither points, nor yards. But that efficiency or the offense's ability to score, is what create the wins and losses or those points versus or against.

Not to mention, that is included in yards per play. Which is why offensive efficiency is better than that one because it includes it and says a lot of other things on top of the fact it scored more points. Because what you are saying only accounts for one side of the two most important stats in the NFL: points. Nothing about yards. Nothing about turning yards into points. Nothing about a team's ability to do that, or how good, or efficient they are at doing just that.

That's why everyone says it's the most critical of stats. They don't say that about points for or versus, do they? They are talking about this one: yards per play.

For fugs sake...:mad2:

I will say this one time and I'm out. As Teeray just told you,. YPP is a team efficiency score not an offensive stat. All three phases of the game are included. Points for versus points against does the same thing except it doesn't cloud the water with yards which doesn't matter.

If your record is 10-6, that is all that matters. Who gives a crap whether you got more yards than a team that went 12-4 or less than one that went 8-8.

The only people who care are bored stat rats and gamblers. No player and coach ever talk about YPP. Because to them it doesn't matter. What do fans care about? Whether they won or lost.

The "they" is actually you. Why not go on a stat site where people care about your trolling crap. It is wasted here and annoying as well.