Fox is 41-3 when his team scores 26 points...

[rayzor]

someone like derek anderson would be starting if fox was here.

cam wouldn't have been drafted unless it was forced on him and that wouldn't have been good for anyone.

ugh...can we please stop having these conversations?

moving on from fox was the right thing to do. his message was old. he had stopped growing (and you could argue he hasn't started back because he got an old QB to come in that he doesn't have to spend any time working with...but not our team so i don't care) and the team no longer responded to him. there was a culture of apathy that needed changing.

you can argue that rivera was the wrong guy to hire, but moving on from fox was the right thing to do.

move on.

[Thorrez]

Derek Anderson would still be our starter and Cam would still be "groomed" on the bench if we still had Fox.

Always liked him as our coach but he had a very conservative approch (remember it took 80 year old Peete to stink it up big time of the first half in the first game in 03 for Jake to see the field).

[Woodcookedbbq]

Any coach can get wins with the right personnel. Fox didn't have that here.

[Thorrez]

someone like derek anderson would be starting if fox was here.

cam wouldn't have been drafted unless it was forced on him and that wouldn't have been good for anyone.

ugh...can we please stop having these conversations?

moving on from fox was the right thing to do. his message was old. he had stopped growing (and you could argue he hasn't started back because he got an old QB to come in that he doesn't have to spend any time working with...but not our team so i don't care) and the team no longer responded to him. there was a culture of apathy that needed changing.

you can argue that rivera was the wrong guy to hire, but moving on from fox was the right thing to do.

move on.

Damn, you beat me to the same comment with 20 seconds :)

[rayzor]

Derek Anderson would still be our starter and Cam would still be "groomed" on the bench if we still had Fox.

Always liked him as our coach but he had a very conservative approch (remember it took 80 year old Peete to stink it up big time of the first half in the first game in 03 for Jake to see the field).

and jake was nearly 80 years old himself.

[Khaki Lackey]

Fox's take no risks, play not to lose style is good for winning half of your games. Fox is Mr. .500.

Career with Panthers? .500

Last year with Donkeys? .500

This year with Donkeys so far? .500

The only time this is considered a good thing is when you can win a crappy division with a .500 record like the Donks did last year.

Or....you compare it to your old team's new coach, whose winning percentage is .333.

[FugginPoo]

Hurney and Jake together should've been gone after the Playoff debacle in 08.

Once Hurney re-signed Jake after that, he should've been fired.

[FugginPoo]

Keep in Mind, the Broncos were as bad as the Panthers were when Fox took over.

[Captroop]

Hurney and Jake together should've been gone after the Playoff debacle in 08.

Once Hurney re-signed Jake after that, he should've been fired.

That comment is just ridiculous. It would be unprecedented for a QB and Coach to be fired after a playoff run.

Hurney's resigning of Jake was supposed to be a vote of confidence to help Jake move past the debacle and try to repeat it next year. Unfortunately, it didn't work out, and Jake was never able to get over Arizona. But to say, "We rode this guy to the playoffs, and then he flopped. Cut him." Is stupid.

[CRA]

Most coaches have very impressive records when their team scores 26. Especially HCs who were around before the recent swing into an all out air show.

[cbarrier90]

That comment is just ridiculous. It would be unprecedented for a QB and Coach to be fired after a playoff run.

Hurney's resigning of Jake was supposed to be a vote of confidence to help Jake move past the debacle and try to repeat it next year. Unfortunately, it didn't work out, and Jake was never able to get over Arizona. But to say, "We rode this guy to the playoffs, and then he flopped. Cut him." Is stupid.

The Panthers went 12-4 that season despite Delhomme, not because of him.

He had been regressing as a QB since 2005 and was fully capable of having terrible games like Arizona all season. What was shocking is that it all went downhill so quickly and before you knew it the Panthers were one and done in the playoffs.

At the very least, a QB should have been drafted as part of the future after the 2008 debacle if not before then. But, as always, management was far too loyal to a player whose time was up. Look at where the Jets are now with Sanchez

Loyalty within an organization is a great thing to have, but there comes a point where you have to evaluate players based on their current production and where they fit in terms of the overall direction of the team. The biggest problem with Hurney is that he is loyal to a fault with current players, hence the 100 million dollars tied up in the backfield on a passing team with a dual-threat QB and pick ups from the FA scrap heap in terms of depth.

[Davidson Deac II]

Derek Anderson would still be our starter and Cam would still be "groomed" on the bench if we still had Fox.

That might actually be a good thing for Cam.

[Captroop]

The Panthers went 12-4 that season despite Delhomme, not because of him.

He had been regressing as a QB since 2005 and was fully capable of having terrible games like Arizona all season. What was shocking is that it all went downhill so quickly and before you knew it the Panthers were one and done in the playoffs.

At the very least, a QB should have been drafted as part of the future after the 2008 debacle if not before then. But, as always, management was far too loyal to a player whose time was up. Look at where the Jets are now with Sanchez

Loyalty within an organization is a great thing to have, but there comes a point where you have to evaluate players based on their current production and where they fit in terms of the overall direction of the team. The biggest problem with Hurney is that he is loyal to a fault with current players, hence the 100 million dollars tied up in the backfield on a passing team with a dual-threat QB and pick ups from the FA scrap heap in terms of depth.

I agree 100%. When Jake bombed, we definitely should have been grooming the QB of the future, and maybe one to take over the reigns next season. But to say that we should have canned Jake after 1 bad playoff game is ridiculous. Even if we were 12-4 in spite of him, that still makes him an effective game manager. He should have been the starter going into next year. But we should have had a better contingency plan in case he was permanenetly shell shocked.

[CRA]

The Panthers went 12-4 that season despite Delhomme, not because of him.

He had been regressing as a QB since 2005 and was fully capable of having terrible games like Arizona all season. What was shocking is that it all went downhill so quickly and before you knew it the Panthers were one and done in the playoffs.

Jake was Jake....from 2003 until he blew out his elbow in 2007. 06 and 07 Jake had a winning record as a starter with the best completion % of his career.

Was never the same guy when he comeback in 2008....but QBs don't comeback from that surgery.

Jake coming back from Tommy John has made people forget that he was actually a pretty good QB.