Stop me if you've heard this one...

[thefuzz]

Manning's arm was not all there.

They had so many chances to close out that game and they never got it done.

Manning has to be sick.

[Delhommey]

http://deadspin.com/5975644/fox-gets-conservative-did-the-denver-coachs-risk+averse-strategy-cost-the-broncos-a-playoff-victory

Good breakdown statistically.

[frash.exe]

all that article really did was commend fox on making calls that favor the probabilities and defend him on making the calls that didn't favor the probabilities

[chknwing]

in before manning blames his neck.

[Mr. Scot]

Well, here's something new.

Per Gregg Rosenthal, Fox decided to kneel down and play for overtime at the end of the game rather than having Peyton run a 2 minute drill was because his team was "in shock" after the Ravens scored.

Not sure what to do with that :unsure:

[Guild]

Taking a knee twice when you have one of the greatest quarterbacks ever. All they needed to do was kick a field goal. Look at what Matt Ryan did in thirty seconds to win against the Seahawks.

Yeah John Fox is a good NFL head coach.

In fairness PFM looked crippled by the end of the game. I remember one deep out route he threw that took everything he had and it still moved like poo through the air.

[Mr. Scot]

He is a successful NFL Head Coach. How successful is a debatable topic.

He definitely has his limitations though. All coaches do. The ones Fox has might prevent him from getting to the next level if he doesn't correct them.

(though since he doesn't see them as flaws...)

[Kevin Greene]

Hey, Fox had a good final 1/4 of the season. 4-0. :-)

[rayzor]

Well, here's something new.

Per Gregg Rosenthal, Fox decided to kneel down and play for overtime at the end of the game rather than having Peyton run a 2 minute drill was because his team was "in shock" after the Ravens scored.

Not sure what to do with that :unsure:

he's oblivious to the fact that the league has changed to a passing league that has made it easy for big drives that was witnessed a couple times yesterday.

it's what I've been preaching over and over, you can't trust your defense to keep an offense from scoring at the end of the game. you can't give the other team the ball ANYWHERE on that field regardless of how much time is left on the clock. the only safe place for the ball to be is in your offenses hands. no score is safe until the game is over. no lead is big enough.

defenses no longer win championships. the key to winning isn't stopping the other team from scoring because its too easy to score. the key is being able to put more points on the board than your opponent can keep up with.

fox was in shock because his paradigm was exposed as obsolete. i just hope that rivera gets that figured out to a point that at crunch time he won't instinctually revert to the old school obsolete game management mindset that says "lets give the other team the ball and let our offense stop them."

[rayzor]

He is a successful NFL Head Coach. How successful is a debatable topic.

He definitely has his limitations though. All coaches do. The ones Fox has might prevent him from getting to the next level if he doesn't correct them.

(though since he doesn't see them as flaws...)

i don't think he does. i just get the feeling that rivera has that same flaw. it comes with being a defensive minded coach.

[Mr. Scot]

i don't think he does. i just get the feeling that rivera has that same flaw. it comes with being a defensive minded coach.

Well in fairness, you can't just go whole hog on offense either. Go that route and you risk becoming the 2012 Saints.

Worth noting that this year's final four is two defensive coaches, one offensive coach and a special teams coordinator.

[ladypanther]

Well, here's something new.

Per Gregg Rosenthal, Fox decided to kneel down and play for overtime at the end of the game rather than having Peyton run a 2 minute drill was because his team was "in shock" after the Ravens scored.

Not sure what to do with that :unsure:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/story/_/id/8844301/2013-nfl-playoffs-john-fox-john-elway-denver-broncos-stand-late-kneel-decision-baltimore-ravens

It's in this article. Foxy also quotes all kinds of stats showing odds are against being successful in that situation...says Atlanta situation was different because they were losing...meaning Foxy does not believe in playing to win, plays not to lose. Also those odds are likely different when you are talking about a QB like Manning.

Just hope Rivera is not as stubborn as Foxy. Does not seem to be.

[Mr. Scot]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/story/_/id/8844301/2013-nfl-playoffs-john-fox-john-elway-denver-broncos-stand-late-kneel-decision-baltimore-ravens

It's in this article. Foxy also quotes all kinds of stats showing odds are against being successful in that situation...says Atlanta situation was different because they were losing...meaning Foxy does not believe in playing to win, plays not to lose. Also those odds are likely different when you are talking about a QB like Manning.

Just hope Rivera is not as stubborn as Foxy. Does not seem to be.

Wasn't Fox the one who said stats are for losers?

[frash.exe]

The interesting thing about this whole Fox situation is that now that his team failed in a huge spotlight we're getting national backlash, as opposed to the local backlash when we'd get drubbed. Nobody gave a poo if the Panthers lost except for people in the Carolinas and me ... there are so many casual NFL fans that wanted to see the Broncos win simply because Peyton is their QB and they bought into the whole dream team thing. And that game had all the makings of a classic Fox loss: aging players getting exposed (Champ and arguably Peyton), refusal to go for the jugular despite numerous opportunities, being outcoached. ...if the Ravens STs unit ate their wheaties on Saturday Denver wouldn't have even come close. The entire nation cared enough about this Broncos team to witness first hand Fox calling a Peyton Manning-led offense like a Matt Moore-led offense. And if you want to blame Peyton Manning's age or whatever then do so being fully aware that he's the best QB Fox could've gotten, because he can't develop a young QB.

You Fox fans thought it was just a bunch of unappreciative Carolina fans that thought this. Now go before the entire nation and defend your overrated coach