WR Heyward-Bey & DB Huff Released By Oakland

[iamhubby1]

We like those slow developing deeper pass routes. Beh would help in that area as well as being able to take the top off the D. He would upgrade our corp no doubt. But at what price? Is he reasonable? If so, it would behoove us to take a look.

We don't need a superstar, we just need someone who can run the deeper routes and actually catch the ball while doing so. Beh fits that bill.

[MaineManPanther]

System required him to sling in...hence ATTEMPTS....it isn't what he is....nor is he good at it.

2010- Campbell - 11 TDs to RBs/ TEs vs 6 to WRs

2012- Palmer - 5 TDs to RBs/TEs vs 19 to WRs.

Palmer can throw downfield....Campbell has never been good at getting the WRs the ball downfield for plays dating back to comical stuff in Washington. It is why I highly protested people thinking he was a good backup option here.

You can't judge him based off his Campbell years....

You said he didn't throw it downfield. He in fact threw it downfield. Wether this was due to the system or not, he did throw it downfield often.

As far as good at it, in 2010 Campbell had a downfield completion percentage of 39.2. 2012 Palmer had 31.7. Meaning Campbell was more accurate and successfully got the ball downfield more often then Palmer.

Regardless, even if Campbell wasnt not statistically superior, that doesn't matter. The question is was he bad enough to throw out judging Bey's 2010 season. He wasn't.

[Seal (SmittyIsOurSavior)]

I don't totally care what you call him, but Moore and Myers both produced more.

Quick question for all the DHB fans: If Rod Streater had been released by the Raiders, would any of y'all want him? Because last year they had nearly the same stats. Streater had a better catch rate and YPC, DHB caught two more touchdowns, but they played at the same level. If he wasn't a former top-ten pick, who would want him?

Myers is a TE, Streeter's stats were not comparable to DHB, nor would he fit our offense, nor does he have his speed...

[BigSyke]

meh hes another troy williamson.

[JawnyBlaze]

Eh, I wouldn't mind DHB for a lower tier contract. A year at $2-3 mil per or 3 years at closer to $2 mil per with minimum guarantees, more incentive based. Not likely though. Huff wouldn't be bad either at a lower contract, would obviously improve our FS situation (though I like Godfrey at FS more than SS).

[Ricky Spanish]

congratulations guise... we are so hard pressed for talent we want players from teh raiders...

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[top dawg]

DHB is not as bad as some of you people are trying to make him, and for the last couple of years he has been solid. I mean, what do you really expect from Carson Palmer, Jason Campbell, and Bruce Gradkowski? Take our guys and put them in that situation and you'd be talking poo about them too. At the end of the day, imo he is a better option at this point in time than anyone named not Smitty, and perhaps LaFell (and the only reason I say that is because LaFell knows the offense). When Murphy was dropped, DHB was still there. Common sense should tell you that he is a better option than Murphy on down. If he comes with a nice price, he could be a great value.

[CRA]

You said he didn't throw it downfield. He in fact threw it downfield. Wether this was due to the system or not, he did throw it downfield often.

As far as good at it, in 2010 Campbell had a downfield completion percentage of 39.2. 2012 Palmer had 31.7. Meaning Campbell was more accurate and successfully got the ball downfield more often then Palmer.

Regardless, even if Campbell wasnt not statistically superior, that doesn't matter. The question is was he bad enough to throw out judging Bey's 2010 season. He wasn't.

I said he can't throw downfield....he isn't that type QB. 2010 his WRs has virtually no production. It is why he was benched a year later for someone who rolled off his couch.

His WRs had 100 rec for 6 TDs.

Palmer doubled the receptions, yards and tripled the TDs by WRs...bc he can throw downfield.

It isn't about being statistically better...Campbell just isn't an attack downfield QB. He has never been able to produce that way...RB, TE has always been his crutch.

DHB is a downfield weapon...judging him without a downfield QB isn't the way. 2011-12 are more accurate portrayals of his ability

[Who Said What?]

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Yeah, I seen that too. One of his coaches were Hugh Jackson, who got Palmer so the offense could be vertical. Dayum some people see in a bubble during FA. DHB is not that much faster than Murphy and has worse hands. Huff is interesante though.

[CRA]

Yeah, I seen that too. One of his coaches were Hugh Jackson, who got Palmer so the offense could be vertical. Dayum some people see in a bubble during FA. DHB is not that much faster than Murphy and has worse hands. Huff is interesante though.

Nah, now Murphy is getting the standard Carolina bump. DHB is better.....that doesn't mean DHB is great.

I mean if you actually watch DHB....he kind of poos on Murphy. Much better athlete and can do more.

[Growl]

Oakland has been the premiere (when I say premiere in this case, I simply mean well-known) vertical team since like the 70's.

Saying Heyward-Bey may "thrive" here because of our deep attack is ridiculous. Oakland drafted him to do the sole thing you guys are suggesting we sign him to do

Run really really fast

[CRA]

Oakland has been the premiere (when I say premiere in this case, I simply mean well-known) vertical team since like the 70's.

Saying Heyward-Bey may "thrive" here because of our deep attack is ridiculous. Oakland drafted him to do the sole thing you guys are suggesting we sign him to do

Run really really fast

Randy Moss was asked to do one thing as well....poor numbers there.

First year away he was asked to still do one thing....result was the best season of career and he was old.

Louis Murphy is in that role here....DHB was much better than Murphy doing it in Oak. Just better all around.

Cheap deal....and cut mofo's in camp. Maybe he works out and you cut the other 2.

[Who Said What?]

Nah, now Murphy is getting the standard Carolina bump. DHB is better.....that doesn't mean DHB is great.

I mean if you actually watch DHB....he kind of poos on Murphy. Much better athlete and can do more.

Yeah, I can tell based on the fact that Murphy beat him out when they were on the same team. I remember trying to watch DHB, but he couldn't get on the field. I seen Murphy stretch the field last year quite a bit. DHB had 125yds recieving in 09, 350 in 2010. DHB best season came under Jackson in 2011 with 900 yds. Last year, DHB had 600 yds and 5 TDs. Lafell had more yds on less catches and one less TD. That is the knock, he has so much atletecism, and brick hands. He can't do shite better than Murphy. Get out of the vacuum.

A little excerpt from SI.com.

Selected seventh overall in the 2009 draft, the wideout from Maryland was a bust his first two seasons, catching just 35 passes for 490 yards and two scores. In some games, he had more drops than receptions.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/jim_trotter/08/27/raiders.postcard/index.html#ixzz2NQqjbTD9

It goes on to say they had to change what they were doing and have him run some short and intermediate routes to maximize his effectiveness. Isn't stretching the field what you all think he can do for us?

[CRA]

Yeah, I can tell based on the fact that Murphy beat him out when they were on the same team. I remember trying to watch DHB, but he couldn't get on the field. I seen Murphy stretch the field last year quite a bit. DHB had 125yds recieving in 09, 350 in 2010. DHB best season came under Jackson in 2011 with 900 yds. Last year, DHB had 600 yds and 5 TDs. Lafell had more yds on less catches and one less TD. That is the knock, he has so much atletecism, and brick hands. He can't do shite better than Murphy. Get out of the vacuum.

Again, situation matters....can't judge a WR with Jason Campbell at QB. You can judge a TE and RB's ability as a reciever. Only era in Oak worth looking at is the Palmer era.

How the heck did Murphy beat him out? Murphy was cut after putting up 200 yards and 0 TDs in Oak.....DHB had almost a 1000 yard season that year in 15 games.

DHB > Murphy. Neither are much to brag about but saying Murphy is better to date is comical.