Jump to content
  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Dwan negotiation update: No movement


MHS831

Recommended Posts

I can't understand the Richardson hate. Are you just nervous because of past DTs busting? He is a great talent, and I think he'll do well in the league.

I dont like him because he gets shoved around way too easily. He would get gashed in the run. He looks more like a pass rushing 3-4 DE to me.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I can't understand the Richardson hate. Are you just nervous because of past DTs busting? He is a great talent, and I think he'll do well in the league.

ncf_a_richardson_400.jpg

He's going to get pushed around in the NFL unless he adds weight... I want us to take a DT in the first or second but I want one that won't get ran over

Link to comment
Share on other sites

In addition to the fact that Richardson is ancient by college prospect standards, there isn't a lot about his game, at his build, that looks like it will result in him being a good NFL DT. I know the media likes to project him to us in their mocks so they can save their more glorified prospects for their beloved NFC east teams and such, but I really don't think he's the pick. We've shown zero interest in him or any other DT prospect and Rivera has been relatively easy enough to read in his time here.

Wouldn't touch Floyd either.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Wouldnt touch Floyd? Can I ask why? He is a very good person, he is able to penetrate constantly. He would be a great 3tech and he really reminds me a lot of Jenkins without the baggage

That said if he was there at 14 I would take him, But what I really want is a trade down and Jesse Williams or John Jenkins. I value that 1 tech more

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Why would I care what kind of person he is? Were drafting football players not lining them up for mystery dates. I don't care if he has some ridiculous story of triumph if he can't play.

I wouldn't touch Floyd because he's Richardson without as much burst, refinement, or even as much production.

Wouldnt touch Floyd? Can I ask why? He is a very good person, he is able to penetrate constantly. He would be a great 3tech and he really reminds me a lot of Jenkins without the baggage

That said if he was there at 14 I would take him, But what I really want is a trade down and Jesse Williams or John Jenkins. I value that 1 tech more

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Why would I care what kind of person he is? Were drafting football players not lining them up for mystery dates. I don't care if he has some ridiculous story of triumph if he can't play.

I wouldn't touch Floyd because he's Richardson without as much burst, refinement, or even as much production.

In the 1st rd you dont want to take a player that has many red flags as far as drugs, work ethic, injury issues. Save those risks for late rd projects and fliers

He has proven to pass all of those and be a better penetrating DT than any other player. He was my favorite player at the DT position then everyone else fell in love with him over his workouts which pushed him too high for the Panthers. He has shown that he has the desire to play and works hard, he is very family oriented showing his character. All these things are just as important whether you think it or not.

Tell me film where he is being pushed around? He is constantly in backfield for much of the film I have studied, watch the Louisville game where he dominated all night. Just because you like another prospect better is no reason to bash Star or Floyd which are the best 2 prospects at DT

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.


  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • It all sounds great. The only unknowns are injuries and how they will need to be addressed. Horn has a history as does the newly added Jaelen Phillips and Cooker has yet to play an entire season as well. And then there are the Ikey's - totally unexpecteded injuries that put a major wrench in your plans. I do think its a great plan though.
    • If we pay Bryce like a franchise QB we're completely and utterly buttfuged.
    • In my view, the realistic expectation for this team to compete will start 2027.  At that time, I think we could be looking at the following (this is HIGHLY speculative):   QB:  You know, Bryce.  I am not a fan, but they don't ask me.  But there is reason for hope--and here it is.  Bryce will be entering his prime.  Since we are likely to pay him, there will be changes that I include throughout this exercise--I realistically speculate on what they are going to do with Bryce and then I realistically speculate on what means in terms of the cap and other positions. Bryce HAS IMPROVED.  The idea is that if you give him more weapons and protection, that will continue.  His career:   At this rate, if his growth continues, by 2027 we should expect nearly 30 TDs and about 12 Interceptions and a Rating of about 98.  His completion percentage should settle at 65-66% or so.  If that happens, you can win with it. The following stats demonstrate how the Panthers will be able to afford it (and re-sign Ickey) My guess is they will require about $60m per year. This is why rookies who can play are important.  It also helps us see the blueprint.  You may disagree, but this is the cruel realities of the salary cap. Robert Hunt:  Cut post June 1 and save $19m.  Who do you replace him with?  Ickey. Tershawn Wharton:  Cutting him saves nearly $15m.  We should all hope to see Aaron Hall (UDFA) make the roster and play well.  Regardless, this is a position we would likely have to address in the next draft. Trevin Moehrig:  Cutting Moehrig as the starting SS saves this team $16.5m.   Ransom will be on year 3 of a cheap rookie deal and should be more than ready to take the reins.  their styles are similar.  Furthermore, FS Wheatley (R, 4th round) will be starting. Taylor Moton:  So much depends on his knee, but I have an idea that he can play another 3 years.  extending him could save the team about $5m per year.  Cutting him outright would save the team about $21m. In the most drastic situation, we have to cut Moton and the other three players mentioned.   We would need (in all likelihood) a starting DT and RT.  It is possible that the DE would be addressed, but Wharton's production (so far) could be equaled by a rookie.  Look for a cut free agent and a 2027 draft pick here.  If you cut Moton, you save $21m, and that would be the only big hole to fill.  Having Ickey at RG gives you some depth at T, and Ickey could be the guy.  T could be pick in the 2027 draft (first round), fwiw.  It saves you $21m while costing you $5m, for example. We get younger, creating a core of Freeling, Hecht, and the RT first rounder in 2027) along with Ekownu (second contract in the $15m range, and Lewis, whose contract would be in the $16m range if not extended.)  The OL cuts (Hunt, Moton) would save $40m.  The OL would get younger and still solid with veterans at G.   By cutting Wharton (no brainer if his play stays the same) and Moehrig (good player--but we have Ransom on a rookie contract who would not be that much of a drop off--if any) in addition to Hunt and Moton, we would save over $70m in cap room. We would be able to give Bryce bag  and we would have enough to re-sign Ickey (if the knee is not too risky) to a Guard contract (probably at a discount, coming off that injury).  Furthermore, we could add a RT in the draft (or a RG if Ickey moves to RT) and that would be the only large hole to fill. Correct my logic if you see issues-- On defense, in addition to the aforementioned, Scott ($2m contract) is out, replaced by a 4th round rookie contract. CB Jackson's contract ($7.8m) expires and he is (possibly) replaced by a rookie contract.  At Edge, patrick Jones II's $10m contract expires and he is likely a reserve, and his role is absorbed by Phillips, Scourton, Princely, and possible an UDFA like Isaiah Smith or a 2027 draft pick.   These productive developmental players over the past 2 drafts will pay huge dividends.  On paper, I see the team getting much younger and possibly better while cutting nearly $100m and reallocating that money to get more production.          
×
×
  • Create New...