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DaveThePanther2008

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It has been well documented that we gave up the highest percentage of completions last year but what got me was we were still pretty good against the pass as far a yardage was concerned.

 

So, a guy catches a quick slant and gets wrapped up immediately IMO is better than giving up longer completions but few catches.

 

I just think the Percentage issue is more of a stat thing then a quality defense thing?

 

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I guess it depends on how many of these slants and quick completions these guys are making.

If we allow only 2 long passes a game I'd take that over 15 quick slants that allow them to drive on us all day and pick up first down Amsterdam first down

 

I hear you.

 

I guess my point is.  You give up two or three big plays verses 2 and 3 yard slants.  Give up three 3yd slants it is 4th and 1. 

 

We averaged 240.9 yds per game.  10.4 per reception which was second only to SF 10.3.  Over all I think the percentage is more of a stat thing then something you can guage how good a defense is.

 

Stats from NFL.com

 

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&season=2012&seasonType=REG&role=OPP&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&statisticCategory=TEAM_RECEIVING&conference=ALL&d-447263-s=RECEIVING_AVERAGE_YARDS

 

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I hear you.

I guess my point is. You give up two or three big plays verses 2 and 3 yard slants. Give up three 3yd slants it is 4th and 1.

We averaged 240.9 yds per game. 10.4 per reception which was second only to SF 10.3. Over all I think the percentage is more of a stat thing then something you can guage how good a defense is.

Stats from NFL.com

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&season=2012&seasonType=REG&role=OPP&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&statisticCategory=TEAM_RECEIVING&conference=ALL&d-447263-s=RECEIVING_AVERAGE_YARDS

I dont think you're taking into account how dreadful we were against the run. Teams had no need to throw deep that often when they were dominating the LOS. Also, when our corners were giving each receiver an 8 yard cushion before every snap, why not deek and dump your way down the field? We were essentially handing them 4-5 free yards per play

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I dont think you're taking into account how dreadful we were against the run. Teams had no need to throw deep that often when they were dominating the LOS. Also, when our corners were giving each receiver an 8 yard cushion before every snap, why not deek and dump your way down the field? We were essentially handing them 4-5 free yards per play

 

I know far too well about our defense against the run.  Why we have Star, Short and Cole added to our roster.

 

OK let me put it this way.  Too many people want to point out or use how the percent number as a gauge to how good our pass defense was.  When you look at it.  Especially total passing yards 240.9 was 14th.  Our longest play from scrimmage was 60 yds.  Still not bad. 

 

I saw an article on Cat Scratch that showed we played cover 3 most of the season so the Safeties could help out against the run which opened quick outs and slants as the #1 target area.  Lots of completions but not many yards.

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So, a guy catches a quick slant and gets wrapped up immediately IMO is better than giving up longer completions but few catches.

 

Most defensive coaches would likely agree with you.

 

The most important part of defense though?  Points.

 

Don't give 'em up.  Get 'em when you can, or get the ball so the offense can get 'em.

 

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With QBs in the league completing 60%, or better, of their passes, you just hang on and hope for the best. Keep the play in front of you to limit the splash plays. Make the O work their butts off to move the ball. Stop the run, and play the screen well helps. But all in all it is damm near impossible to stop todays QBs.

By keeping the play in front of you it allows you to play with your eyes up, and it makes teams work to move the ball. With our front 4 we should see more short passing plays. Almost like glorified runs. Make the tackle, make them work, get them frustrated, maybe you get some turnovers when they try to do too much.

Ah hellz, I don't know. Keep them in front of you and make the damm tackle. I can live with that.

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