The more Rivera talks, the more I worry

[frash.exe]

Bill Belichick actually approached Chip Kelly when he was developing his own no-huddle. Ron Rivera rejects the idea.

I'm starting to feel like we're spinning our wheels at this point, like we were with Fox in 2009 and 2010

[teeray]

Mark my words, there will be dissent in the Philly locker room at about the halfway point of this season.

Everyone can crown Kelly all they want because of a week one win. That type of offense is not sustainable over a season. Hell, they couldn't even sustain it for an entire game. Grown men that are multimillionaires won't listen the same way 19 year old kids do.

In his particular case, Ron is right.

Maybe the defensive players will get upset but skill players on offense are going to love it.

There is actually one tangible benefit that comes with playing fast. Inflated stat lines. That leads to overvalue in the trade market and come contract time.

But in terms of winning or losing games, unless you have a great QB, I don't think there is a real benefit.

[Jakob]

here is another great quote I found

 

 

"It made me feel very good [to be runner-up]. It shows you are doing some things right, and we are doing a lot of things right here as a team."

 

 

[teeray]

who needs more plays? who needs to be quicker on the field and give their team more chances to score?

why did we only have 3 possessions in the second half? i'm sure it had absolutely nothing to do with the amount of time we took between each snap.

oye.

Does it matter how many plays you have? The more plays you have the more plays your opponent has.

You may score more points but so will your opponent

I am more worried about efficiency.

[tiger7_88]

At Auburn in 2010, Gus Malzahn (the OC then, now the HC), who is a hurry-up-no-huddle (HUNH) guru, wouldn't hurry up on a drive until he made the first 1st down. Then, when he made that first 1st down, he'd kick it into gear and SEC defenses would be on their heels and in confusion on how to handle Cam.

Now one doesn't have to "hurry up" as a base philosophy like Malzahn does. And SEC defenses certainly aren't NFL defenses (though its as close as you're gonna get). But Cam's ability to throw and run are (and can be) SO deadly when you get a defense on their heels, gasping for air.

Its just a damn shame that Rivera has decided Cam is Philip Rivers, Gettleman has decided he's Eli Manning, and Shula has decided he's Trent Dilfer.

[Cape Fear Cat]

The key thing no one talks about to me is that in college, coaches have 100+ guys to substitute in and give everyone a breather. In the NFL, there are only 53, and half of them are defense guys. I just don't see 280-300 lb. O linemen being able to sustain that kind of pace the entire season.

[Qu1million]

Since Rivera we have gotten better every year and since he talked about being or having more say so in defense it has gotten better, I really don't know what is the worry with the some people but I would take Rivera over a lot of other head coaches, there is worse...ohh and like other huddles I agree "he's right"...it's pretty much commen sense

[tiger7_88]

Why do you strawman creators automatically assume that those of us that would like to play faster than a tortoise would only be satisfied with a Chip Kelly pace?

[teeray]

Rivera's issues for me is not scheming and gameplanning, it is game management.

[teeray]

Why do you strawman creators automatically assume that those of us that would like to play faster than a tortoise would only be satisfied with a Chip Kelly pace?

I agree that I would like to pick up the pace. For the purposes of having more time presnap and not wasting timeouts.

I am just saying I don't think there is a real benefit from fast pace over slower pace. It is about efficiency and moving the ball when you have it.

[Proudiddy]

The problem is, RONALD (I'm almost certain that isn't Rivera's first name, I just wanted to call him that), the no-huddle uptempo offense has been proven to work in the NFL. From the Bills teams of the early 90s to the Falcons, Patriots, and Ravens today. The key is having plays you know have a high-percentage of success and/or efficiency. If you believe you're going to score or get a first down per 3 downs instead of thinking like a conservative, game mismanaging loser, you would see the advantages of it. But, of course, this system would require you to be well versed in your opponents' tendencies so that you can catch them on their heels and then take them down the field while they're trying to regroup and/or substitute.

[SCP]

Rivera's issues for me is not scheming and gameplanning, it is game management.

Exactly.

[tiger7_88]

I agree that I would like to pick up the pace. For the purposes of having more time presnap and not wasting timeouts.

I am just saying I don't think there is a real benefit from fast pace over slower pace. It is about efficiency and moving the ball when you have it.

There are absolutely positive benefis to fast pace (IF you are proficient at it)... defense has little time to substitute, defense has little time to adjust on the fly, and defense tires and gets on their heels.

Now admittedly there are also corresponding disadvantages to fast pace if you are NOT proficient at it.

All I'm telling you is that our franchise QB possesses talents and attributes that make him deadly in fast pace. But god forbid we do that... his ACCURACY might suffer! ;)

[carpanfan96]

Chip Kelly pace will work in the nfl, see the pats from last season. They ran 70+ a game last season. It works, just have to have a HC and offensive staff smart enough to know how to take advantage of defenses.