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4th and long.... and going for it?


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On the flipside, the Patriots went for it on 4th and inches late, and it darn near cost them the game. if not for Matt Ryan throwing a couple of awful passes, they lose in embarrassing fashion.

And the Falcons? They went or it on 4th and 2 in the first half rather than kicking a field goal, and didn't get it. As a result, late in the 4th what could have been a one score game was instead a two score game.

But I'm sure loads of people still be screaming for Rivera to go for it every time we get a 4th and short, regardless of whether the situation supports it or not

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On the flipside, the Patriots went for it on 4th and inches late, and it darn near cost them the game. if not for Matt Ryan throwing a couple of awful passes, they lose in embarrassing fashion.

And the Falcons? They went or it on 4th and 2 in the first half rather than kicking a field goal, and didn't get it. As a result, late in the 4th what could have been a one score game was instead a two score game.

But I'm sure loads of people still be screaming for Rivera to go for it every time we get a 4th and short, regardless of whether the situation supports it or not

That is a different discussion. This was not about RR habit of not going for it in 4th and short.

About how RR doesn't take points and believes in giving the ball back out of mercy.....which coaches don't do at this level. Not talking about running up a score....but simply you take what you have. Coaches did again this weekend. RR is an exception with his logic

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someone is really butthurt

Merely pointing out RR's mentality.....

And how it is against the norm in that scenario.

It is a big picture thing. The big picture mindset....is something that will be relevant going forward

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butthurt

to be butthurt I would have to be made about an issue.....

I am merely pointing out the mindset of a coach I support more than the majority of the huddle.

I am not a huddler that overreacts to one game....just pointing out in that Giants beat down Mr. Doesn't Believe In Stepping on Someone's Throat Ron......will even kick a FG that every other coach does (which is why I updated with this week's examples )

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Nine pages and no one has answered the question correctly.

Ron wanted to avoid a blocked field goal. They would have brought the house, he chose the safest play, end of story.

Leave it to the Huddle to nitpick a 38-0 brutality. . .

Again, then other coaches would be doing it.....

They don't. This week against showed it

But you bring up another good point

RR has a long history now of not kicking makeable FGs....it will show again. Points will be there.....he will opt out. It shows a two fold mindset

His rookie year he opted out of them often. Perfect chance to practice it and get over his fears. But I guess everyone has forgotten all those passed over attempts

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Can we stop this inane idiocy of calling Rivera "scared?" He's not out there wetting his pants and hoping the other teams don't try to win, he's playing to his conservative instincts that are honed from years of being a defensive player and coordinator. It'd be great if he'd realize he has certain strengths at his disposal that other teams don't have with Cam behind center, but a lot of our close losses have had just as much to do with poor player execution and pure dumb luck than Rivera simply hiding under the covers and hoping those big mean teams go away. We've had aggressive play calls blow up in our face and contribute to a loss just as much as conservative ones (throwing a deep ball on 3rd and 2 vs. the Saints in 2011, throwing a deep out against Chicago in 2012 that Smith fell down on and got returned for a TD.) We've had shitty luck, and it's frustrating, but my god, that's just part of the game. The best way to win is to go the Broncos route: beat the hell out of the other team, and don't leave it up to chance. That's what we did last week, and we twisted the knife with the Ginn bomb. If we keep it up then we've got a good chance to win in the future, just let the damn games play out.

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