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this team the best in Panthers history?


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Just wondering what you guys think... looking at the amount of talent this team has on defense and how the offense now has more than just Steve Smith, I have to say yes. Probably won't be considered better than the SB team unless we win it....

I'll let u know come Jan... But I can definitely see why u created the thread.

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No.

We are one injury away from being not a good football team.

Even it we lost Jake in 2003..... We could run and play D. Our offense would implode without Newton.

Our OL sucks and we can't run. Cam creates and helps out everyone.

Team around Newton is FAR weaker than than the cast around Delhomme in 2003. significantly weaker

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1996 was ALL about the defense. As good as this year's is, I don't know how it could be better than the '96 Panthers. That was one of the best defenses in football in the '90s. The offense was solely Wesley Walls. 

 

2003 was the most balanced team we've ever had, but how do we factor in all the roid users on the offensive line?

 

2005 was a one-man show: Steve Smith. It was one of the best years a receiver had in the decade, if not THE best, but the team ultimately wasn't that great.

 

2008 had the most impressive showing in the regular season, but featured Bad Jake for most of the back half of the season that was covered up by Double Trouble in their prime.

 

2013 is most like the '96 team imo. Championship level defense, offense full of guys efficient at moving the sticks. But the '13 offense is ultimately way better than '96. Cam vs. Kerry Collins? Haha. Better receivers and offensive line too.

 

So......

 

2003 > 2013 > 1996 > 2008 > 2005

 

And there's a very real chance 2013 could end up at #1 by the time it's all over.

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1996 was ALL about the defense. As good as this year's is, I don't know how it could be better than the '96 Panthers. That was one of the best defenses in football in the '90s. The offense was solely Wesley Walls. 

 

2003 was the most balanced team we've ever had, but how do we factor in all the roid users on the offensive line?

 

2005 was a one-man show: Steve Smith. It was one of the best years a receiver had in the decade, if not THE best, but the team ultimately wasn't that great.

 

2008 had the most impressive showing in the regular season, but featured Bad Jake for most of the back half of the season that was covered up by Double Trouble in their prime.

 

2013 is most like the '96 team imo. Championship level defense, offense full of guys efficient at moving the sticks. But the '13 offense is ultimately way better than '96. Cam vs. Kerry Collins? Haha. Better receivers and offensive line too.

 

So......

 

2003 > 2013 > 1996 > 2008 > 2005

 

And there's a very real chance 2013 could end up at #1 by the time it's all over.

You're selling 2005 short. We had a good running game and the defense was ranked 2 or 3 that year.

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We are the Oakland As/Moneyball of the NFL. A roster full of one year journeymen we got on the cheap, started out 1-2 with fans calling for the HCs head, went on to win 20 straight. Go watch the movie Moneyball, we are the Oakland As.

Full of journeymen huh?

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Full of journeymen huh?

I shouodnt have said full of journeymen, you know what I mean. Players we signed on the cheap that are helping us win as a unit. Just like the Oakland As that year, they didnt spend big in FA but instead added solid contributors that equaled a great team. I meant that as a good thing.

Gettleman is our Beane and just like the As, EVERYONE called for the firing of the HC and they suddenly got red hot and won 20 straight. We are the NFL version of the As that year and Im loving it.

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