Cameron Jerrell Newton

[KendrickPanther]

Now you're reaching. OP included all main stats for a QB. OP even included turnovers and you're still trying to find something to argue with. OP didn't even mention the poo Carolina has surrounded Cam with during those 3 years. Being a fan of this team will be alot easier for you when you finally accept Cam for what he is (GOAT) and enjoy the ride!

I'll never understand the hate for this kid. Cam has done everything in his power to try and turn this franchise around. There isn't a single QB other than Cam that could have come to Carolina and do what Cam has with this team. Anyone who watched his first two seasons knows he put this team in position to win numerous times, only to be let down by the D. Did OP even mention he's only 24!

 

I do not hate Cam. I have never hated Cam. Statistics are heavily influenced by circumstances. If Cam plays in a different era his numbers go down. If Cam plays with a better Oline or a premier WR his numbers go up. If Cam plays in a pass heavy offense his numbers go up. There are numerous factors that go into statistics and they are only partially based on performance.

[mcdougal]

playoff wins first 2 years...

Mark Sanchez: 4

Russell Wilson: 3

Colin Kaepernick: 2

Tím Tebøw: 1

Peyton Manning: 0

Joe Montana: 0

John Elway: 0

Brett Favre: 0

... color me not impressed

 

Pretty sure Colin has won 4 playoff games. GB, ATL, GB, CAR

[MHS831]

im going to break this down, each one:

 

Do you believe everything players say in the media?

No, but when i hear Greg Olsen go out of his way and say this at 5:09:

 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-am/0ap2000000308174/Olsen-This-week-s-about-health-fine-tuning

 

I tend to believe the guy whose in the building with him everyday. We've heard Jon Beason's opinion on him last year about him having to be more "professional" in his interviews. Outside perception. this isn't some conspiracy.

 

If not what I want to hear is it wrong?

No, there are some things Cam says and does that I don't agree with or kind of shake my head.

 

Did they give Cam "C" not until this year?

 

we all know who was entrenched in the captaincy the past two years. it was his FIRST TWO YEARS. Who did the Colts have offensively after they blew that team up besides reggie wayne, Who did the redskins have offensively? RW? cause i know you will talk about the young QBs. we didn't blow this team up after having the worst record in the league

 

Did Cam believe it looked bad?

 

Yes, once again outside perception he had to learn to be a "professional" and like Cam says, "i wear my emotions on my sleeve, it's just the kind of guy i am". My point this entire time is that it has been overblown. He has always possessed those qualities but he's a young guy figuring his way out. It was pretty obvious the whole time.

 

He admitted to making changes to become more of a leader and complete player--why did he need to do that?  Because he was great and anyone who questions his lack of success is a blasmphemer or was it that he realized that his teammates would give him the "C" when he met their expectations as a leader.

 

this is just a big duh. this is progress you want your young qb to make. the point was he has ALWAYS possessed these QUALITIES it was about fine tuning them at the next level. But you could see it from the beginning if you were paying attention and not focusing on the Superman poses.

 

Having a difference of opinion does not make anyone wrong.

 

well apparently it makes them stupid in your mind, which is the reason i'm replying to this gibberish because normally i would just ignore your comments on Cam because we've done this before.

 

You apparently were satisfied going 7-9 and losing games late.  I wanted more from a QB with tons of upside.  They judge QBs by their wins and losses-super bowl rings.  WHen you are 2-14 in games where you had a lead in the 4th quarter and the QB is sitting on the sidleline with a towel on his head, do not expect Canton to be taking Photos for future use.

 

And once again ill thank Teeray for that informative post about how the DEFENSE blew games and if you know simple math you would realize our record would be pretty different because Cam has been making late 4th quarter plays his entire career. He WAS the best player on a terrible team. it wasnt like he had the opportunity to go back in and win the game when he was "sitting on the sideline with a towel on his head."

 

Bottom line is you called people stupid for differing from your opinion. I'm sorry I believe what I saw and what I heard from his teammates and didn't view it the way you saw it.

 

I saw a guy that wanted to win in a bad way, who showed that every snap on the field but we were a terrible team and he put the team on his back and hasn't looked back.  Has he become more "professional"? sure, but to me he's always been the same guy, hes just continued to progress year in and year out. Something you love to see out of a 3rd year qb.

 

most people were patient because they could see those qualities develop. you were impatient and wanted to get rid of him. point being time has shown you are the stupid one.

 

Listen, if you want to get personal because I don't agree with you, then just chime back in when you grow up.   I can argue against every one of your points, (for example, Teeray talking about how the defense lost games--Time of possession---they got tired because they were on the field all day---and I guess Cam won the games this year, and not the defense) 

 

RGIII?  Luck?  Captains as rookies.  Cam?  year 3.  You can believe Greg Olsen since you and he are so chummy, or you can let the team's actions speak--But you have an excuse for that too.

 

Yes, people with closed minds are stupid.  I am speaking the truth--I did not like the old Cam and I like the new Cam--the one who pubilicly decided to step up--after you said he didn't need to do so.

 

Life is not always black and white.  Sorry this is too complex for you.  But if you want to call someone out, please scan your degree (if you have one) and send it to me in a PM.  I will be glad to scan my college degrees (4) and send them to you.  (This is where you say education doesn't mean anything to you).  I learned to analyze and think objectively in my doctoral program, and that is what I do well.  If you calll me stupid, how am I to believe anything else you say?

[nosuchthingasapanther]

It seems like that's all I heard through the summer and the preseason. But then again I am in a different part of the country. 

 

no one has ever criticized his arm strength. his accuracy on the other hand....

[iamhubby1]

IMO, because of the shittstorm surrounding Cam at Auburn, he was less polished at speaking with the media than most college QBs. So he had to learn on the fly. My biggest complaint was that the Panthers should have given him some help, but they let him flounder. I could be wrong on this, but that is how I perceived it.

If the fact that Cam was not media savvy coming out is your biggest complaint. I think you are using it to build your own bias. The kid was learning to deal with the media with no experience. It took him a while to learn, but it had nothing to do with how he played.

Cam gave everything he had on the field. And had to learn the off the field stuff basically on his own. I think he has come a hellofa long way, on his own. I couldn't be prouder of my QB.

[MHS831]

God damn again with the towel BS? Go find another QB to root for if that bothered you so much, Jesus.

   God and Jesus in one sentence.  Nothing says "What I have to say is important" more than someone who worships a football player and degrades his Lord in the process. 

 

[iamhubby1]

Listen, if you want to get personal because I don't agree with you, then just chime back in when you grow up.   I can argue against every one of your points, (for example, Teeray talking about how the defense lost games--Time of possession---they got tired because they were on the field all day---and I guess Cam won the games this year, and not the defense) 

 

RGIII?  Luck?  Captains as rookies.  Cam?  year 3.  You can believe Greg Olsen since you and he are so chummy, or you can let the team's actions speak--But you have an excuse for that too.

 

Yes, people with closed minds are stupid.  I am speaking the truth--I did not like the old Cam and I like the new Cam--the one who pubilicly decided to step up--after you said he didn't need to do so.

 

Life is not always black and white.  Sorry this is too complex for you.  But if you want to call someone out, please scan your degree (if you have one) and send it to me in a PM.  I will be glad to scan my college degrees (4) and send them to you.  (This is where you say education doesn't mean anything to you).  I learned to analyze and think objectively in my doctoral program, and that is what I do well.  If you calll me stupid, how am I to believe anything else you say?

It is not what you say. It is how you choose to say it. I am sorry, but you do come off like you are the only one that sees the truth. You have to see how that can be misconstrued by others. If you are going to dismiss others opinions/ideas, you can't be surprised when you get flack back.

Cam had 1, yes 1 year of big time college experience. With limited media exposure. Yet you were upset because he was not as polished as you wanted. I guess college kids are not as worldly nowadays as they were when you were in school. Give the kid some credit for figuring this all out, basically on his own.

Nay, that would be to easy, and counterproductive to your argument.

[TheRumGone]

I think people who were singing his praises before he changed should feel stupid. 

 

 

mmmkay. that's where this whole thing started.

 

 

Listen, if you want to get personal because I don't agree with you, then just chime back in when you grow up.   I can argue against every one of your points, (for example, Teeray talking about how the defense lost games--Time of possession---they got tired because they were on the field all day---and I guess Cam won the games this year, and not the defense) 

 

RGIII?  Luck?  Captains as rookies.  Cam?  year 3.  You can believe Greg Olsen since you and he are so chummy, or you can let the team's actions speak--But you have an excuse for that too.

 

Yes, people with closed minds are stupid.  I am speaking the truth--I did not like the old Cam and I like the new Cam--the one who pubilicly decided to step up--after you said he didn't need to do so.

 

Life is not always black and white.  Sorry this is too complex for you.  But if you want to call someone out, please scan your degree (if you have one) and send it to me in a PM.  I will be glad to scan my college degrees (4) and send them to you.  (This is where you say education doesn't mean anything to you).  I learned to analyze and think objectively in my doctoral program, and that is what I do well.  If you calll me stupid, how am I to believe anything else you say?

 

ironic considering you have those 4 college degrees. congrats tho (seriously thats awesome, i'm assuming you are 40+ years old)

 

i don't know why you think i'm some 12 year old kid, i gave you my opinion (with a bit of harshness for the stupid comment) and you come back at me with some elitist attitude and up the personal attacks to another level about you having all these degrees trying to prove you can critically think. and then have the nerve to say I'm not open-minded enough to see this.

 

all i know is Cam has put this team into a position to win late and games and we have lost at least 6 games because the defense blew it at the last second. you can argue for this or against this, i can see both sides. But for a 2 year starter, with 1 year of major college that is pretty incredible, what he did this year was incredible. But you didn't think he was the answer at QB, I showed why I thought he was before and now and you tell me i'm not open-minded enough?

 

I can tell you all about my degree and the degree i'm trying to get while working a 50+ hours a week job but that means nothing on the internet and only further makes you look like some elitist with an "i'm right and your wrong mentality." It's a cop out and hypocritical.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

if any of you want to try to bust my balls just scan me your college degrees and PM them to me.

 

i'll be glad to scan mine (18) for you

[iamhubby1]

God and Jesus in one sentence.  Nothing says "What I have to say is important" more than someone who worships a football player and degrades his Lord in the process.

Not to be that guy. But...that was three sentences. If you are going to call someone out. It could behoove you to be correct in your assertions. If you want to be the smartest person in the room anywho.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

Listen, if you want to get personal because I don't agree with you, then just chime back in when you grow up. I can argue against every one of your points, (for example, Teeray talking about how the defense lost games--Time of possession---they got tired because they were on the field all day---and I guess Cam won the games this year, and not the defense)

RGIII? Luck? Captains as rookies. Cam? year 3. You can believe Greg Olsen since you and he are so chummy, or you can let the team's actions speak--But you have an excuse for that too.

Yes, people with closed minds are stupid. I am speaking the truth--I did not like the old Cam and I like the new Cam--the one who pubilicly decided to step up--after you said he didn't need to do so.

Life is not always black and white. Sorry this is too complex for you. But if you want to call someone out, please scan your degree (if you have one) and send it to me in a PM. I will be glad to scan my college degrees (4) and send them to you. (This is where you say education doesn't mean anything to you). I learned to analyze and think objectively in my doctoral program, and that is what I do well. If you calll me stupid, how am I to believe anything else you say?

Hate to burst your bubble but you and your 4 degrees are wrong all this "old cam new cam" stuff give me a break

[TheRumGone]

well this is getting awkward

[TheRumGone]

[MHS831]

It is not what you say. It is how you choose to say it. I am sorry, but you do come off like you are the only one that sees the truth. You have to see how that can be misconstrued by others. If you are going to dismiss others opinions/ideas, you can't be surprised when you get flack back.

Cam had 1, yes 1 year of big time college experience. With limited media exposure. Yet you were upset because he was not as polished as you wanted. I guess college kids are not as worldly nowadays as they were when you were in school. Give the kid some credit for figuring this all out, basically on his own.

Nay, that would be to easy, and counterproductive to your argument.

 

I state an opinion and people attack me as if I am wrong...There are no facts to dispute if you are discussing your perspective on a topic--only opinions.  I never attack others for an opinion contrary to mine.  I preface my statements as my perspective and I support my reasons for my opinion.  When I am attacked because my opinion is not popular, people go after me and fail to consider that we are discussing opinions.  There are no wrong answers.  There is no 'one way" to root for a team. 

 

There is no Truth.  That is what people on this board do not seem to understand.  There is only opinion.  There is no way expressing an opinion could be perceived as someone trying to be right when there is no wrong.  That point was made in many ways.

 

About your point:  Cam was inexperienced and probably not ready for the stage.  He needed to mature and gain experience.  However, my opinion was that he needed to mature and become more of a leader in years one and two--somethng he did.  But when I pointed out that he needed some growth, I was attacked.  Now that he has grown, I am saying that I finally think he is ready.   Some cannot effectively defend their points, so they get personal.  It is a sign.