Steve Smith on Gettleman's "Evaluation" comment

[panthers55]

i have no problem parting ways with smith if it is best for the team and the Cap.

 

my problem is the way DG handled it. I get he's new, but SS is a Panther legend. You don't go public and say that. You give some typical media generic response, bring Smitty in the building and try and work it out. If it can't be worked out, and you think cutting him would help bring in talent, then fine. That would suck but i could live with it.

 

It was completely disrespectful and something i won't forget happened.

One of the things that the Tuna did every time he went to a new team as a coach or GM, was to make public statements about one of the probowler who everyone thought was untouchable and say things like if he doesn't play harder he isn't going to be on the team or he isn't going to pay him big bucks etc. He did that with Larry Allen when he went to Dallas.  It was done on purpose and was done in public as much to send a message to the team as it was to that player.  For example if you wanted to send a clear message to players like Charles Johnson that refusing to renegotiate could mean you are going to be cut this year or next, then doing what he did to Smitty might put every player on notice.  This is actually pretty common with new coaches and GMs to let folks know there is a new sheriff in town.

[CRA]

One of the things that the Tuna did every time he went to a new team as a coach or GM, was to make public statements about one of the probowler who everyone thought was untouchable and say things like if he doesn't play harder he isn't going to be on the team or he isn't going to pay him big bucks etc. He did that with Larry Allen when he went to Dallas. It was done on purpose and was done in public as much to send a message to the team as it was to that player. For example if you wanted to send a clear message to players like Charles Johnson that refusing to renegotiate could mean you are going to be cut this year or next, then doing what he did to Smitty might put every player on notice. This is actually pretty common with new coaches and GMs to let folks know there is a new sheriff in town.

Only difference is 89 old and coming off one of his least productive seasons....and is expensive. He also like our RBs..... can no longer take claim of being our O.

So I think 89 is touchable.

I think Gettlemen is going to treat 89 as he did Gross last year. Set him up to go. Question is does 89 want to set himself up for his farewell season

[MHS831]

praise jesus

 

 

Ha. Of course I had not intention of opening up that issue, but the point is, our front office/ownership needs to learn about timing--he probably would have been the pick and he knew it.  His father probably told him, "Stay in school.   You do not want to go there".  More commonly, free agency is an issue.  We area small market--we have a rep for player-friendly ownership, something that probably helps. 

 

And your point about reading between the lines is correct. 

[panthers55]

Only difference is 89 old and coming off one of his least productive seasons....and is expensive. He also like our RBs..... can no longer take claim of being our O.

So I think 89 is touchable.

I think Gettlemen is going to treat 89 as he did Gross last year. Set him up to go. Question is does 89 want to set himself up for his farewell season

Not that different.  Allen was pretty long in the tooth as well as that point.  His last year in Dallas was 2005.  Bill coached there from 2003-2006.  Allen already was a 10 year vet at that point.  You could argue that Allen was a probowler in 2003-2005 but he was last All-pro in 2001.  For example he only played 12 games in 2003 but still got voted to the pro-bowl largely based on who he had been not what kind of year he had.

 

But I agree that he isn't worried about this year so much as he isn't going to pay him more money next year and the year after that.  But I also think the message was for other guys like Johnson as well who is likely gone after this year unless he restructures.

[TheRed]

One of the things that the Tuna did every time he went to a new team as a coach or GM, was to make public statements about one of the probowler who everyone thought was untouchable and say things like if he doesn't play harder he isn't going to be on the team or he isn't going to pay him big bucks etc. He did that with Larry Allen when he went to Dallas.  It was done on purpose and was done in public as much to send a message to the team as it was to that player.  For example if you wanted to send a clear message to players like Charles Johnson that refusing to renegotiate could mean you are going to be cut this year or next, then doing what he did to Smitty might put every player on notice.  This is actually pretty common with new coaches and GMs to let folks know there is a new sheriff in town.

 

That approach does not always work. It certainly has the potential to backfire as well.

[panthers55]

That approach does not always work. It certainly has the potential to backfire as well.

It certainly worked for Parcells.  He is a hall of famer.

[TheRed]

It certainly worked for Parcells.  He is a hall of famer.

 

Depends on how you look at it I suppose. But it's not a one size fits all kind of thing.

 

The hard ass approach can either divide a locker room, or unite it. For every Bill Parcells, there is a Greg Schiano.

[pantherclaw]

But he may not be consulted about the process/time where they debate if they want to part with him

like I said, he is over reacting to the situation. Just like most fans are doing.

[top dawg]

well duh!

 

Again: Seems like that would have been said tow or three years ago.

[panthers55]

Depends on how you look at it I suppose. But it's not a one size fits all kind of thing.

 

The hard ass approach can either divide a locker room, or unite it. For every Bill Parcells, there is a Greg Schiano.

What in life really is a "one size fits all"?

 

Maybe we should go back to the Marty Hurney "whatever you want is fine with me" approach.  Many thought that Gettleman was GM of the year for what he did in 2013.  So far it appears to be working.

[TheRed]

What in life really is a "one size fits all"?

 

Maybe we should go back to the Marty Hurney "whatever you want is fine with me" approach.  Many thought that Gettleman was GM of the year for what he did in 2013.  So far it appears to be working.

 

True. Dealing with people though is never easy, for guys like Parcells the little details made it work, and even then to a certain point. I think this whole thing is media fabricated, and it isn't fair, but Gettleman has to come to terms with that, and ignoring it only makes it worse.

 

Most of us here know how our local media is, Gettleman is still learning, but I don't think he will make these mistakes in the future.

 

Oh come on man. So it's either be a hard ass, or a complete and total push over? No middle ground? That's silly.

[hdevonxz]

Big money businesses do not care about people's feelings. 

 

Of course they do, part of having a successful team is having as littel disgruntled players as possible.  If big money businesses don't care about people's feelings, then why does behavior play such a big part in determing whether or not to keep someone. 

[tiger7_88]

“Steve’s had a great career. He really has,” Gettleman said Thursday. “None of us are here forever. But that’s not to say – he’s part of the evaluation process. That’s just the way it is.”

For the life of me, I'm STILL having a hard time detecting the big deal with this statement.

The ONLY reason I can come up with to make any kind of deal about this statement is, I guess, "you know if you're honest about the business, the diva will get upset!"

Other than that its just an innocuous statement about talent evaluation and team building by a guy in the business of evaluating talent and building a team.

[Squirrel]

For the life of me, I'm STILL having a hard time detecting the big deal with this statement.

The ONLY reason I can come up with to make any kind of deal about this statement is, I guess, "you know if you're honest about the business, the diva will get upset!"

Other than that its just an innocuous statement about talent evaluation and team building by a guy in the business of evaluating talent and building a team.

 

The statement alone isn't the problem.  Both RR and DG wont give a firm answer on his status.  I see it as a statement to the rest of the team.  But the longer it goes on unanswered the bigger the issue it becomes.  They should atleast talk to Smitty and let him know what they are thinking.