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Ladd had a great rookie season. Looks like he is starting to come back down this year. This is with a solid QB and a solid HC who is known to make his QBs look even better. This year Ladd is averaging around 40 yards a game and has 0 TDs. He also was injury prone in college. If he was a Panther he would probably be injured now or not playing nearly as well as he did last year. You can't just pick players that are succeeding with other franchises and assume they will be doing the same here.

Of course. Although it is necessary to wonder just how far those conversations went in the hiring process. As in when they discussed the plans to "fix" Bryce Young how much leeway does Bryce Young ultimately have if he performs poorly and does Dave Canales have full autonomy to bench him when he feels it's time to make that call? Right now to me it looks like it's Tepper's decision. And if that is indeed the case we're boned no matter who the coach is.

The NFL is a performance and results based league. XL has done absolutely nothing to be given the benefit of the doubt, crappy QB play from Bryce notwithstanding.

That works too. ABB and I don’t mean Allman Brothers Band.

The weirdest stat.. I tried to get the definition straight, it was all over the place. ‘A big time throw is one into a tight window or this or that’ and just stopped. I have eyes. I can see what a good throw is. And I saw every one of them. Many twice. Or more

You cannot hope to calculate poo accurately with Bryce Young in the equation.

Truthfully if we had drafted Ladd he would probably be disgruntled by now. All the passes thrown at the ground the hospital balls the poor at best ball placement to the sideline and the distinct lack of legitimate downfield passes. Yeah folks are being certainly quite optimistic to think he would be lighting it up here.

I saw that too. And am fine with giving him an instructional benching. That is this year right now. But all offseason how many damned times did we hear about that drop in Philly? And I look at him being all mopey and think I bet he snuck on social media to see what people were saying and saw that got himself into a crisis over it. He isn’t a real smart guy, and seems sensitive. Also I will be one of the last people to take up for a loafer. I saw it too.

I put his drafting on Bryce and (apparently) his dad and the urgency the team felt to make Bryce work out. People said AT and Ladd were suited for the same position, I always thought that the team was not looking to this year or next, they had to fill the three WR positions for that season to eliminate excuses, prop Bryce up, that whole thought process. I think it was all connected. like a spider web. All the moves. The Brooks pick too. I didn’t scout any of those guys and don’t watch much college ball at all, so had no opinion on the players. Just on the motivations that brought us to those choices.

Christ. We don’t have patience for XL because he isn’t trying. He’s not hustling on the field, making lazy attempt at catches, and not blocking at all. Bryce may suck but he’s at least trying.

There's a large portion of the fanbase who wanted McConkey and XL could never satisfy and now the Bryce apologists are using the he has no one to throw to defense they've been using since before the draft. I don't know if XL will be a serviceable WR at this point but I'm willing to give him a chance with competent QB play

but the pff big time throws..........

Lol I am not saddle broke either. Agree. But do you remember the second half (a half mind you) of Green Bay in 2023 and how long we were told about it? Irrational stanning is hard to stamp out.

I guess he could have said he watched YouTube and Netflix.

Just start Hooker. Literally the same amount of skill/talent. Why waste a pick?

It is a noticeable thing. Patience, so many had it for Bryce. Fresh out for everybody else. Seems like. You can’t say he has looked good, but to bury him with this QB and now everyone is calling the limited playbook offense he is in shitty p and the coach is shitty (which would be something that affects a green over drafted WR), and no one I can recall except you had mentioned the old way of 3 years. I don’t know who is right. Just saying I agree with you about patience being so thin.

Well he knew when he accepted the job who his QB was so he can fug off with that excuse.

This is the 3rd season where he started off playing beyond shitty effectively putting the team behind the 8 ball from the jump. Now its obviously not all on him but 3 x is a damn trend and you cannot risk that a 4rth time.

That reminds me of a quote from Augustus McCrae from Lonesome Dove, about Jake Spoon. Something like “Lori darlin’, you put your hope in Jake Spoon and he is an empty vessel” Just from memory I don’t think that is exact but that’s the gist.

He can't even save himself. Cleveland is starting Gabriel this weekend and guess where Shedeur is on the depth chart? That's right, still qb3.

Its less about money more about enjoying sports when 3 out of your 4 teams are dumpster fires

I wasn’t really commenting on if he is good/bad. I’m saying that whatever small chance there was for him to succeed the way things are is gone. As far as your point goes, I agree. If he is to be judged at all, he should be allowed to build it how he wants with the people he wants.

He's first response should have been to ask the reporter what they meant by the question they were asking. Or at least ask them to clarify the question. Throw the reporter off guard. He just walked right into it.

That roller-coaster ride only has 1 last turn to make before it's over. After a while the last holdouts will see the light. Having hope in something is not a bad thing.