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Not surprised they targeted McDuffie. Outside of the Carolinas Jaycee Horn is a fringe top 10 corner and even that's being kind.

The dream is dead. They traded for McDuffie from the Chiefs.

Sobering truth.

Look to many of u disagree I'm just gonna agree with guys who know ball efa56603b419b2af7eae2f133d5ed041.mp4

If you remember we beat the Rams without Horn. As a matter of fact he hasn’t been noticeable all season. And don’t tell me it’s because teams don’t throw his way because they do. He’s not irreplaceable.

I like Horn a great deal from a personal standpoint. But multiple things can be true at one time. While he is indeed talented. He is in no way shape or form worth top 3 corner money. And he got absolutely abused by our divisional arch rival last season. Just unacceptable. Then there is the reality that the 2025 Panthers were bottom of the league in pass rush win rate last season. How did a dominant pass rush work out for the last few Super Bowl champions? Honestly I would much rather see us direct our resources there. I'm not saying I would run to accept this offer but it would 1000% be under serious consideration and that should always be the case if we want to be a serious franchise.

What Super Bowl? It's played in early April. We have a more recent natty than y'all do and sent K packing for a poo to win a second since y'all's last.

I can. Beating Carolina is all that matters to them and you take away Wilson AND Veesaar from this roster and we're not much better than incredibly ass.

I know bunch don't like him which is understandable but hell even Bridges is only 27 with 5-6 years of prime play left. Ball - 24 Diabate - 24 Kalkbrenner - 24 Miller - 23 James - 23 Salaun - 20 Knueppel - 20 That's a lot of damn youth plus all the draft picks the next 7 years.

I don't know that doing an extension to get some cap relief would be having a player over a barrel. At this time, his recovery is unknown. An extension as previously described would give cap relief for us, time for Icky to fully recover without rushing back, and time to evaluate him once he does. If he is good to go, another extension reflecting that evaluation can always be done. I don't think that would destroy a locker room. I think it shows we're willing to working with players and put them and the team in a favorable position while recovering from major injury. This isn't a common situation with a major injury at the 5th year extension. I think it actually could sit well with agents and players that we take care of players.

You’ve fallen in love with an athletic player. He’s not a good qb and that’s what you draft him for.

We won’t have any real sense of his viability until the weather is cold, at the earliest. So you have to address the near term as if he is done. With maybe a little hedging. Moton’s exit being not too far off allows that because we can apply this year’s stopgap to that position. People are saying if he is diminished he be a guard, but if his athleticism is degraded to the point that he can’t be an OT, can he really just ‘be a guard’? This is a tough one.

First off, you never make your team better by getting a player over a barrel on contract negotiations. Kills the locker room. And you don't negotiate until you know what both sides have down the road. Otherwise, someone gets screwed. And that kills the locker room and/or the cap. Stay put, wait it out and see what we've got in the month and a half before the draft. A lot can happen between now and then.

Wow

.500 basketball in March is a beautiful sight.

The bare minimum is two first rd picks for Horn. Anything else should be ignored….

I am not sure what the true offer would be from the rams but if it is 2 firsts (thats the only way I even discuss it) then hell to the yes I am doing that and not thinking twice.

It is a dumb argument I’ll give you that. Drafting a guy primarily because he can do what should be the job of your starting QB is not efficient use of your resources. If you draft a guy to develop as a QB you do it because you think you can develop him into a QB. If you want to run him in to take up Bryce’s slack then you have that option. as far as conservatives (?) not willing to gamble a later pick? Well the answer there is look at the roster prior to the 2025 draft. Holes like Swiss cheese. Every guy we took contributed and many of them significantly. You get the floor of the 21 guys who aren’t QB raised to the point you can’t immediately replace one of them with a 4th or 5th round rookie, then feel free to be a little looser with some of these later picks. We still are not there. Maybe next year.

Horn's 2026 cap hit is $24.4M, #13 would get about $4.4M in 2025, that's a savings of $20M. $20M in FA would do us a lot of good. That, plus 2 top 20 picks (working on your assumption that LA isn't keeping #13 and trading #29) would sure make the offseason interesting. I get a bit of a chubby thinking about Styles and Lomu in the 1st. I know that Styles is now projected to go top 10, but a boy can dream. I'd still want them to sweeten the pot, #93 this draft or #167 this year and next years 3rd. Horn is a really, really good corner, but his injury history will always worry me and his contract is huge! Cap hits of $22.7 in 2027 and $28.7 in 2028.

This only happens IF free agency goes our way. Even then, im not so sure. Without seeing our additions in FA, I am fully expecting S, LB, OT, IOL, or EDGE (not in any order) positions targeted with our first and second round picks. I think OT is the most realistic 1st round pick unless there is a run early and we don't get offers favorable enough to trade back. I think LB can be upgraded in FA, but we could miss out on some of the big names. I think targeting an EDGE early depends on what they think of Scourton and Princely. Not in the sense of whether or not they will upgrade the position, but in the sense of if they would rather upgrade with a vet or youth. At the end of the day, we also thought last year there was no way they go WR in the first with as many holes as they have. So I can't 100% say they won't take a TE at 19.

I think it would be cool to have someone with that skill set on the roster so Dave can work with him. Having said that he is a terrible qb and the earliest I would draft him would may be the 6th. Def 7th but no way I would go higher

Svech

The guy has been a starting QB in college for 4 years and has looked awful for all 4 of those years. At least somebody like AR was younger and more of an unknown because he started so few games, so it was a little more unclear of whether he could be developed. I think it's safe to say Green won't develop into a starting QB (and probably not even a good backup QB). With the scrambling ability the dude has (because of his athleticism), I don't think I have seen a QB look as bad as he does throwing the ball when he breaks out of the pocket. Now, if you are drafting him in hopes of making him a slot TE or a WR, then maybe I get drafting him. But no, I would rather draft a depth offensive lineman or defensive lineman, safety, or something else that serves us more of a purpose than a QB whose only purpose is scrambling and QB sneaks. It also doesn't help he does not fit our scheme at all of quick passes and pre-snap reads

LaMelo, Miller, Kon is easily the best young core in the East to build around. Key is just staying healthy.

If we move down five slots or less and pick up an additional 2nd? That would seal the deal for me. That 2nd... hard to get someone on the back end of the round or early in the second to give that one up. Still... if that miracle swap is there, take it.