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Is there going to be a new Week 16 Other thread or are we in this thread? The Eagles and Commanders are playing now the Eagles fumbled on the opening kickoff

Kind of defeats your T-Mac vs Warren argument. There's one TE (McBride) who NFL GMs would take over Warren. There are at least 40+ WRs NFL GMs would take over T-Mac.

I am not going to be very rigid on the "needs to be." We need to draft good players. If that means taking an elite TE over a middling EDGE or ILB, so be it. If that means taking an elite WR over a middling whatever, so be it. I just want good players. I also remember a lot of butthurt over taking Luke back in the day because we already had good LB's. Never pass on elite players. Ever.

Man I hear you but the combo of his stats and what I’ve seen, i disagree. Sure he has moments but overall, just gets beat just like a Rags fans said he does.

The Miami-TAM game was not really good though. I mean, I know it was windy, but it was not skillfully played. Bama-Oklahoma was much better.

Better yet don’t watch your backs

There is a Grand Canyon-sized chasm between your opinion and the opinions of most former player hockey guys who do this for a living.

I can only imagine the **** eating grins on the committee right now. "Oh, Bama didn't deserve it? Oh, Miami didn't deserve it? Suck it, haters!" lol

To say that, is gaslighting, because it isn’t true. I mean, maybe one or two people do that but it isn’t the predominant behavior. Even Frank has given him credit. I think particularly the Rams game. A couple of glowing posts. I know I have. Gotta be honest about it because if you aren’t it undermines what else you say. But the degree of how far I go with credit, in terms of it being a projection of future performance? Not very far. Acknowledge it, but require more of it. There is a lot of bad play to offset. I tried to remain passive while the last 9 games (post ankle injury) played out. It is just really hard when the lows won’t go away. I failed. As high as a couple of those highs were, there isn’t enough. I know it is premature to just say I want to move on, made my decision after 6 of those games ended up pretty much really good or not good enough, but I have had enough of being patient and letting him show the reality either way. So in my view, he Could still validate himself to a decent degree if he smokes the last three starts. But also in my view I don’t expect to see it. Maybe one more high quality start, would be my expectation. So yes he could still somehow justify having the job next year. If that happened I still wouldn’t have much faith given the last three years and all that has transpired. Again, there is a lot of bad play to offset.

To start with, you wouldn’t want to count up that value chart. You would see quickly where that is headed. But you basically did a quantity comparison, while ignoring quality. I am looking at 2023 as the start, because it became all about Bryce. 2023 you have 4 picks plus DJ Moore for offense vs 2 (80 and 145) for defense. 2024 you got the 1st overall, the 32, the 46 and the 101 for offense vs 72, 157, 200 and 240 for defense. Leave the FA IOL out of it. Which was a crazy big investment. But it wasn’t draft. Anyway, that is basically 4 top 100 picks for offense and 4 picks for defense in 2024. Except they were 2 first rounders, the second rounder, and the 4th was really high at 101. Vs 72 and day three stuff. Please…. Second quoted/bolded… See you think we hate Bryce. That isn’t it at all. It is nice easy way to characterize us and discredit our talking points though. Me, I do mostly hate watching him play. But I don’t hate the person. I hate the hell out of the stanning. It started with the very first question I asked about his footwork, arm strength, and size. Height being the principle objection. I never even got to the durability factor. There was plenty without factoring that in. But there was rabid opposition to even asking the question of what a couple of small fractions of a second extra closing time would do for the defenders. What the extra time it takes to flip the hips would do vs a pass rush or on the other end after the ball is in the air. Split second more for recognition where it is going for the DBs. The tippy toe backpedal. That poo was a mess and it has always been mess but no Bryce fan wanted to hear it. “Go get another team to root for”. “It worked in the SEC it will be fine in the NFL you don’t know football you are just a hater”. It got worse when the real games started. It has never stopped. It is nice that many people have left that train so there is less abuse but it hasn’t stopped. So whatever…

Whatever school you attended, I don't know and I don't care, but I would suggest demanding a refund. Something was completely missed there.

The draft capital since since 2023 has in no way been pretty even. Especially when you zero in on day 1 and day 2 draft picks. Draft capital has vastly gone toward the O over D.

Its not squeaking per se it just have an abnormal amount of 1 score games. Thats not sustainable

We'd have beaten you by 4 scores. Sit down in the corner and stay quiet with your fraudulent ACC Championship, the big boys are playing now.

LOL sure, $10m.

It's all about evaluating the full body of work. Winning multiple close games by the skin of your teeth and then losing divisional games against inferior opponents like the Saints when something is finally on the line doesn't sound sustainable. We win when it's not expected and flounder when there are expectations. We perceive any wins as massive improvement when in reality we are at the bare floor of what competitive teams expect let alone actual consistent playoff contenders.

This was a terrible call. He wasn't downfield. The refs are just getting worse and worse.

Wins are wins, Packers and Rams are quality wins against really tough teams to play. Any road game win is also a decent win, as games are just harder to control and predict on the road. If the Panthers lose tomorrow they are 98% eliminated. I'd say even if we finish 8-9 it was a disappointing season given how close we were to a playoff berth but just fumbled it with unprepared, bad play...despite how flawed the roster is. I wouldn't extend Bryce if we miss the playoffs and make him prove it in a contract year, while also finding a decent backup next offseason. Probably not going to be in a position to reach for a QB in the first round, and we sorely need defensive help in a loaded defensive draft

David Njoku (29), Dallas Goedert (30), Kyle Pitts (25), Foster Moreau (28) will all be free agents in 2026. There are a lot more of course (Spotrac list) but i didn't include anyone over 30. We can't afford to use an early pick with all the holes we have. I think our first three picks need to address edge, linebacker and oline so we shouldn't be drafting a TE until fourth or later and that will just get us another mediocre tight end. We don't need another one of those.

If "squeaking" equates winning I'll take it.

I would say this game is over, but the Miami kicker has been awful.

Feel bad for that young kid Toney.

Bryson Younck

Canales had Young’s footwork straight in preseason 2024. It really is a next to impossible quest. Young does not have the discipline to stick with it when the chips are down. He reverts. Just about everyone with that sort of handicap reverts a bunch of times before the change sticks. If it ever does. That bad stuff is so ingrained in Bryce you probably will never get it out.

He went from borderline 2nd/3rd round guy last season to virtually undrafteable this season. He is so fuging bad.