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My biggest problem is I think the players he likes don't really work in the modern NFL. You mentioned the wr room being a lot better, is it? It has the potential to be. Last year when we traded up to get Legette, they said they traded up to take him specifically because he was a true X receiver. Now this year they take TMac because they say he is and that XL was out of posisition last year. Im not sold on Tmac yet just like I wasn't sold on XL last year. If TMac isn't a lot better than last XL was last season then that's back to back first rounders in one position that would still need a huge amount of work. Hopefully Tmac is what everyone seems to think he will be, I'm just not so sure, but them declaring XL was a true X receiver after the draft last year and what they're saying now should at least give you pause about their receivers evaluation because it means they definitely made a mistake one way or another.

Dans right bicep had a bicep.

This is why they'll lose. The draft pick value is substantial vs. minimal cap impact.

You keep mentioning the impact on the salary cap, but that's literally not the point with all these 2nd Rounders, it's all about precedent and it being a slippery slope that would lead to more fully guaranteed contracts for veterans. That's what the teams are making sure this doesn't get to, because yes, you're right, the guarantees for a 2nd rounder won't have significant cap implications if the player doesn't work out. But you give that fully guaranteed 3-4 year contract to a FA who then shits the bed in year 1 and never regains the form that got them the contract, then yes, it's going to screw up your cap management and won't be a rounding error. And you can say it's a big leap to go from guaranteeing a 2nd round pick's contract to a big FA signing, but it's really not. Once teams start giving them out, it's only going to keep growing and be insisted upon by agents in other situations and once the ball starts rolling down the hill, it's going to be impossible to stop it's momentum. Also, the only reason a 2nd rounder's contract would be a rounding error, is explicitly because contracts aren't guaranteed and teams can finagle the cap hits with various tactics. Once contracts become more and more guaranteed, that won't be as easy to do, if even possible at all, and those individual rounding errors become serious problems in totality.

Yep! Jake wanted to stay. It’s been reported a lot that he did. Tulsky waited too long to give him that contract.

He's still unsigned, due to injury I think. He should be able to play this year, but I think teams are just waiting for more clarity before signing him.

I would rather trade for Ramsey. Alexander was great but man his injuries have been on par with Horns in the last couple years.

The ball keeps getting pushed down the field. Most of the 2nd rounders won't get full guarantees but they'll get a good chunk of the contract guaranteed. So let's say it's 75%. At the end of the day we're talking about a couple of million over the course of a four year deal. Basically a rounding error in terms of salary cap impact. It's much ado about nothing.

Agents only have the upper hand if they think/expect the teams to cave in the end, but that 30 of the 2nd rounders remain unsigned, it shows the Agents might not have it in this case. A 2nd round pick isn't going to sit out their rookie season as a holdout to re-enter the draft the next year and improve their draft stock and/or ability to stick in the NFL, you really need to be an elite QB prospect to even have the remote chance of doing that successfully. Teams have to draw a line somewhere, if they all say the line is the 1st round, then there isn't much the Agents can do about it if the teams all hold firm, which they should. And yes, you're right about the rookie wage scale, which is exactly why I don't think the Agents will be winning this battle in the end. The teams know they already screwed up rookie contracts once, they aren't going to fall down that slippery slope again and let it snowball on it's way down.

Then we had some impressive coaches to finish 8th from worst plus all of our injuries. Titans and Raiders were pretty bad as well.

Agents have been out-negotiating GMs for years. That's why they had to implement the rookie wage scale. Top drafted rookies were basically starting to walk into the NFL as some of the highest paid guys in the league. Take it up in the next CBA. In the meantime, it is what it is. Agents hold the upper hand in these rookie negotiations and they know it. The teams already have a significant unrecoverable investment spent on these draftees in the value of the pick that they spent. Given the rookie wage scale there's not much to negotiate other than guarantees and offset language and once again the agents are kicking the GMs' asses again.

Except it's not about the money, it's precedent and teams not wanting to go down that path. Once you guarantee all the 2nd rounders, then the 3rd rounders will want it, and so on. If they keep viewing it as say, "well it's only X amount of money" then it's a slippery slope that doesn't end. Then you get Free Agents saying, "well if you're fully guaranteeing the contract of an unproven 57th pick of the draft, you clearly should be fully guaranteeing mine as your big FA signing this offseason" The NFL doesn't work with fully guaranteed contracts under it's current cap model. If you want to give them out to the true elite of the elite players at impact positions like QB and Edge, then so be it, but there needs to be a line in the sand or it will get real messy.

I really don't think it's that debatable. New England had some argument but our roster was far worse, IMO.

anyone breathes wrong in the WNBA they have to make a big deal out of it b/c it's a dead fuging product that's unwatchable.

I agree, I think the right elite that's not a diva could blend right in - I wish we kept Guentzel

Better than the time he gave me the same look he gave Anthony Bright before ending his career when I met him at the Fan Caravan in 2005.

Is he still unsigned? Big fan of him since college and I feel his dad was one of the most underrated players in NFL history. He’s a baller.

In defense, without a doubt. Overall is probably a little debatable.

We weren't bottom five, we were the bottom.

Team friendly deal and no pressure to be relevant or compete for anything.

Just turn off injuries.

I wonder if sign with the panthers at a discount, since he is from Charlotte

I’ve turned from a staunch detractor to him now having my 100% support. 1. He turned the worst o line in the league in to a top 10 unit in 1 offseason. Incredible. 2. Contracts to Horn and Hubbard. Reward your ride or die homegrown talent. Neither contract was way out of line for market value. 3. All of the talent he has added are intelligent, high floor types who love competing. 4. He understands that an org lives and dies off of the draft. This was the very first draft that I can remember since… ever where the franchise didn’t make a boneheaded trade and/or waste a high pick on a project tweener. No. It was Tepper sitting by almost completely mum, watching Dan orchestrate Dan’s draft…. picking intelligent high floor dudes from big name schools who showed up to play every Saturday and loved competing. It just felt right. 5. He has shown no reservation in cutting bait on guys that he sees as not having what it takes. This is really big one. It’s what the good teams do. Without it, you get the ‘coach’s guys’. Complacency. Stagnation. All these dudes needs to watch their backs. I see him building a young core who have displayed NFL level ability. For the first time in a really long time it feels like the captain of the ship actually knows what he is doing.

Jake Guentzel was a pretty elite player and he fit us very well. And we’ve only had two offensive elite forwards under Rod. That’s Jake and Miko. Sample size is pretty small and I feel like your arguments biased. We are going to get an elite player or two In the off-season, we can be the judge of that this time next year.