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I’d leave that up to the new hire.

This isn't true. He was the backup in New Orleans the year before, and Carolina was kind of in a bidding war with Dallas for him, which is why he got to camp late.

You think it would be better to swap Bryce’s bad play for a 5th round rookie’s bad play? Really?!

It is week 1. This place needs to calm down a bit.

And I would have Morgan safer than Canales IMO. Outside of the whiff on XL and taking Brooks when we didn't need a RB, I think Dan has drafted pretty well his 2 years in charge as GM. I'm more concerned with the free agent acquisitions that have mostly been busts, but I'm not sure if those were more coach decisions or Morgan decisions. But I honestly think Canales just isn't a good coach and wouldn't have a problem cleaning house (at least HC, OC, DC, GM) at the end of the season. The only problem is no HC and GM worth a crap are coming to this dysfunctional franchise.

Is vinny Testaverde still alive ?

He also threw Renfrow out of another easy TD late in the game. Renfrow should’ve had two easy TDs Sunday, and what a hell of an opening comeback game that would’ve been. The second one almost got HR injured because Bryce threw it over his head and carried him out of bounds where he landed awkwardly. Had he led him upfield, it was a TD. But alas, we have an impostor playing QB.

Barring going 2-15 or worse, I doubt it. I think Evero will be the scapegoat and Morgan/Canales will get 1 more year. I'm sure Tepper will meddle again with which QB we should draft in 2026 and we will likely choose the wrong QB again. Rinse and repeat the 3 years after and we will be back in the same situation in 2029

If this was his first game as a rookie then I would be all for rationalizing this. But it is year 3 and he doesn’t have it. If u had AT he would have had a better game in all likelihood but I think that amounts to putting lipstick on a pig. No matter play out the year and see where you end up which is probably looking for a new QB. Hope I’m wrong but that hope is microscopic at this point.

some of these were legitness

Does that include firing Brandt Tilis? (he just got here)

Pick any of the following: -He can't win with these receivers. He would be elite if he had Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson at WR. -It is all the defense's fault (as we lose the game 20-3) -It's the oline's fault -Bryce would be elite if we still had AT on the team -It was just an off day -All of the above

I've seen enough, clean house. I want the new GM to pick the HC and the HC to pick the QB.

He has had access to exactly such a person (or people) for several years now, but whether he has any inclination to do such a thing is unknown.

big picture went need 2 QBs though this offseason. 100% rebuilt room. We need to find a vet to start and then draft a future QB.

With some people you can at least identify a trend in their mistakes: always too cautious, too reckless, too generous, too stingy, overthinking, impulsive, etc. Sadly, Tepper is one of those people who can make mistakes in every possible manner. (omni-incompetent...or perhaps omnincompetent, if you want to put a word to it) He needs, as he has always needed, someone who actually has a clue making all his decisions for him. There were hints that was going to be Dan Morgan's role now, but is Morgan the right choice for the job? The problem with finding somebody to make good decisions for somebody who consistently makes terrible decisions is that it's still the bad decision maker's decision who he picks to make the good decisions...unless he picks someone else to make that decision, but even then will he make a good decision as to who decides who... Ya know what? I'm tired My Answer: I don't know. At this point I'm.probably just praying for a miracle.

Tepper hires consultants. He just ignores their recommendations because he knows better. The best thing for the team is to let it crash and burn. There's no way to save this season and bring in some street scrub only to win 1 or 2 games max is detrimental to building a better roster. Suck it up buttercup.

I swear to god every time I think of this it makes me want to lisan al gaib BoA stadium

Posted this in 2021. Seems like it's still true today (tl;dr; "it starts with the owner") holding out hope that the appearances of Tepper being hands-off the football operations recently are accurate and that Dan/Dave are doing the best they can - with all the resources they can - to right the ship that they were given

I wish people would stop commenting on trading for a QB. NO. If we get another QB it will likely be via Draft. Regardless, won't happen until off-season. No need to trade for someones backup that will likely give us similar if not worse results, in an attempt to win games that you will all complain about us winning come draft time. Let this season play out no matter how ugly it gets. Jay Z needed 30 years to do something and so will we or however the saying goes.

I posted this under another top (Morgan's drafts), but it applies here. I don't know if the problem is our scouting department, the front office, or both. What has become apparent is that our team is terrible at drafting. Every round we seem pass on players who could fill hole in our roster in favor of players who contribute NOTHING on the field and are often out of the league before their first contract expires. Are the scouts providing good intel but being ignored? Are they giving bad intel and the FO is going on their recommendation? Tepper needs to hire a consultant who is knowledgeable of the game and have him do a top to bottom examination of our personnel department and find out why are arguable the worst drafting team in the NFL. Why do we pass on players who excel in the league for garbage players who probably couldn't even make most rosters in the NFL as backups.

there was a honeypot of talent at the end of first/top of 2nd and we took at 3rd round talent at best in a trade up lol Ladd, Frazier, Sainristil, DeJean, there was a lot

A deep dive into some advanced analytics to demonstrate just how truly horrible Bryce Young actually is. Really brings into question what kind of organization would keep trying to push this guy as an NFL player, let alone a franchise QB/starter. This find is courtesy of @frankw , who shared it in the MMF thread last night. And boy, is it damning. https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/nfl-week-1-recap-bryce-young-panthers/ Bryce Young completed only 51% of his passes for 4.4 YPA in Week 1. The only QBs who were worse were a rookie starting vs one of the best defenses in the NFL (Cam Ward) and Russell Wilson behind one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL. Even if you remove the interceptions, Young ranked #28 in success (32%) and #25 in EPA per attempt (-0.24). If we just want to look at the simplest of passes, those thrown five air yards or less, Young completed just 56% of attempts (#29) with a 13% success rate (#29), -0.54 EPA per attempt, and a mere 2.8 yards per attempt (#27). This was despite playing most of the game in garbage time on account of his terrible early game performance putting his team in a 20-3 deficit at halftime. The Jaguars defense kept things very vanilla for Young. They didn’t blitz on nearly 80% of dropbacks and played no blitz zone on 72%, the #4 highest rate any quarterback faced. Young wasn’t even pressured often, taking pressure on just 28% of dropbacks thanks to how soft the Jaguars played him. Keep in mind, this Jaguars pass defense ranked #29 in the NFL last year. If we try to throw out garbage time entirely, I looked at QB performance in the first half when not pressured. Out of 30 qualifying QBs in Week 1, Young ranked: Dead last in EPA (-0.60) Dead last in success rate (20%) Dead last in Y/A at 3.6 Dead last in passer rating at 27.5 How are you averaging just 3.6 Y/A on unpressured dropbacks in the first half of a game? Thinking back to that halftime deficit, I’m reminded of this stat: The Panthers led at halftime in three of Young’s 12 starts last year. They are now 0 for 1 this year. In his 29 career starts, the Panthers have led at halftime in 5 of 29 (17%). Since 2000, there have been 37 QBs to start at least 25 games in their first two years in the NFL. Young is the ONLY QB to lead at halftime in fewer than six of his starts. Young is the ONLY QB to lead at halftime in fewer than 20% of his starts. So many people were backing Young based on the super small sample at the end of the year when they thought he played better, and he did play moderately better. But even in those games, he delivered average stats against the NFL’s easiest schedule of pass defenses to close the year, with every opponent ranking 20th or worse. There’s never been a QB who rebounded from performance like Young delivered in his first couple of years to go on to become a franchise quarterback. Some stay around as a journeyman, but they don’t lead teams. The Panthers put all their eggs in the Young basket this offseason. The Panthers were the darlings to win the NFC South by many. Yes, it’s only one game, and there certainly are opportunities to improve. But Dave Canales has now had two full offseasons to work with Young. He should know Young’s strengths and weaknesses and figure out how to optimize Young’s performance. What pivot do we have after that Week 1 performance? Surely Canales tried to use his best stuff in Week 1, and it failed miserably. The schedule is soft, but the clock is ticking, on both Young and this coaching staff if they don’t figure out a solution quickly. This experiment should’ve ended after his rookie year, no matter the investment. But really, the pick should’ve never been made, as myself and many others here have lamented even before the pick was made, but there’s nothing we can do about that now. It’s more insulting with every week they continue to trot him out there to not only start, but to play at all on an NFL field.

Not sure about cleaning house but if things continue going the way week one did I suspect several of the staff will have a lot of free time over the upcoming holiday season. Some might want to go ahead and get that Halloween costume as they sell out fast.

I don't know if the problem is our scouting department, the front office, or both. What has become apparent is that our team is terrible at drafting. Every round we seem pass on players who could fill hole in our roster in favor of players who contribute NOTHING on the field and are often out of the league before their first contract expires. Are the scouts providing good intel but being ignored? Are they giving bad intel and the FO is going on their recommendation? Tepper needs to hire a consultant who is knowledgeable of the game and have him do a top to bottom examination of our personnel department and find out why are arguable the worst drafting team in the NFL. Why do we pass on players who excel in the league for garbage players who probably couldn't even make most rosters in the NFL as backups.