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Well hell, looks like it worked after all.

I'm sure this won't post right since I can never seem to get youtube videos to work, but here's the link:

Anytime any NFL analyst or stat company has something positive to say about Bryce it’s some secret agenda that they are pushing according to the mouth breathers on this forum.

Bryce relied on him so much and there are young guys that need to develop and Bryce needs to learn to use them. He looked for AT all the time. Security blanket. Comfort zone. Training wheels are nice and safe. Time for the QB to progress and incorporate the new guys. I am looking for the right analogy but let’s say you always choose something and I want you to do something different. I take your safe choice away, you have to do something different.

This thread is an excellent collection of excuses.

That is likely true. They are letting him walk, so we know they rate him lower than Love. They are the people who see him every day and should know. These guys can get better with game reps as far as it goes, for the flip side. I think Willis is past the expiration date in terms of finding great value. And a flat out signing we should have a better track record than he has before paying the going rate. And we aren’t in line to be doing that right now anyway. We are in the hidden gem/reclamation zone of QB shopping, I would think. At least I am hopeful that we are.

If y’all can’t see PFF’s angle with these Bryce grades…they did the same where based on their grades last year, Geno Smith was better than Patrick Mahomes lol lemme check to see if Geno Smith is in the top 5 for this stat

I am wanting to draft off of need, if we can match need to value. Say we need OT and the guy we look at is poor value at 19. See if we can trade back. You can pick up ammo to move up in the 2nd in the process. (For that LB) If it just will not fall in your favor than you have to go with BAP over a big reach.

The age thing, I think it works in the sense that people used it with DJ Johnson and XL still being raw. That they should have it by that age, but don’t, is a red flag. Also competing against 20 year olds, they should have an advantage which could disappear against grown men. That is a valid concern. The flip side is the guys that are 24 but are ready. I see nothing to scare me off of them. Heck you get a more mentally mature player too, most likely. Maybe you get a quicker transition. No redshirt or apprentice type of year. You could probably apply the age criteria by positions. 24 years old might work better for QBs than LBs or DTs.

I've only ever considered it possible for 1, maybe 2 if pinned inside the 10, deep balls per drive. The play is just too big. A new deep ball can be completed in under 2.5 seconds. That just isn't right.

It’s out there to look up. There is a definition. It is so convoluted and broad I got frustrated before I could finish it. It just seemed wrong to me. I think the words they choose for the names of these stats are the bigger problem than the stat itself. Because there were things in that definition that I thought to myself “how is that big time?”

yes. I never paid much attention to these stats until people started using them to tell me how great Bryce is. When I have watched every snap he ever took and look at video during the week, and can objectively see how ‘great’ he is, what his throws look like, the whole thing. The stats criteria is just misleading to faulty when you look at it. That doesn’t reflect on Bryce, I can’t see how it does. It is directed at the criteria being used to evaluate him. And others. No joke, the game casts now call a 16 yard TD a deep pass - I can only surmise it is because it went 4 yards deep in the end zone making it a 20 yard throw. Who among us, all being likely lifelong football fans, grew up picturing a 16 yard TD pass as a deep ball? Anybody? It is just not a helpful stat, it is absurd. There is no stat for 30 yard throws. Nor for 40. And so on. And they are generally more demanding throws. Say your QB nailed 4 35 yard throws in a game and my QB nailed 4 20s. Should they be rated equally as deep passers off of that? Tell me my guy is has the best rate on 20-30 yard throws instead. Break it down. To call 20 yards and everything past that the same thing? Why would you do that? I mean, calling a 20 yard pass a deep ball, is like calling Bryce tall.

all I know its a throw and not a completition and lol at folks coming at posters for laughing like hell about this. I mean we all have eyes

big time throws, has that been objectively defined or still just a made up stat?

If you restricted the content of your reply to opinions on the subject rather than insulting g the people who post something g you don’t agree with, I wouldn’t say a word. poo is unnecessary.

I don't hate Bryce. I hate the narrative. And the reason I hate it is if Bryce was on another team, doing the same things with the same results, we'd all still be laughing about the stupidity of that same narrative. And part of that narrative is that you can have 4 "deep ball" passes on a drive and still be on the opponent's 19 yard line barely in the red zone. That is just beyond stupid.

4.5 games out of 6th and Philly 3 games out of 7th and Orlando Hornets play both one more time. Also have two left vs Miami and down 2.5 of 8th. I think the 6th seed is entirely possible with 26 games left and only back 4.5 games.

Nobody save for one or two idiots actually wants Bryce Young to be a bust. But the blinders and bafflingly low standards people apply for a fourth year #1 pick are both comical and embarrassing. Then you have folks complaining about what they claim is toxicity and then turning right around and being toxic while trying to claim the moral high ground. This is why the huddle will always be entertaining.

He's definitelyore talented at throwing picks, and that's saying something.

I personally think there is a glut of talent in the lower half of day 1 and day 2. A trade down would be my ideal scenario if we can get a few more 2nd and 3rd round picks.

absurd stuff is just that. That PFF stat is absurd. You should be able to point out the PFF thing without folks claiming Bryce is somehow being unfairly attacked because of that. Bryce has positives. The "haters" have even pointed those out pretty consistently. But the flaws are still the flaws and the absurd PFF stuff is still absurd.

He got better this year. But he was still overall bad. It's about the incredibly low physical ceiling he has.

I don't think think anyone is actively rooting against him. Okay, maybe some. But Bryce seems like a really good dude. I don't see you anyone could view the person negatively. But this ain't about that. This is about whether or not we truly think we can compete for SBs with Bryce Young at QB. I don't. Especially if you give him a legit starting QB contract.

Bryce had a good playoff game but Taylor Heinicke has had a good playoff game too. He's improved but calling him the best deep ball thrower in the league is just laughable.

You are overgeneralizing talking about every Panther WR that didn't make it. Calling the guy an idiot is lazy and assuming. And I said it wasn't worth bringing up real points because people like you would be lazy and generalize like a scorned woman. Thanks for not disappointing. He and Coker came into the league the same year. Who was producing in the Seattle game when we passed for 54yds? That's not excuses, but facts. In the playoff game, he smoked a corner off the line of scrimmage just like the Atlanta game and Bryce didn't go to him. I don't consider it an excuse if the QB doesn't look your way or limits your opportunities. Like I said earlier, TMac and Coker are better at making chicken salad out of chicken shite. Don't act like you haven't seen the passes thrown that require extreme contortion or athleticism like jumping five feet in the air to catch. Also, they said in the video he could stand to get closer with Bryce. TMac and Coker have better relationships on and off the field with Bryce. That matters, anyone who has played sports knows that. I said he needs to hear Cam and that means strengthening the relationship with the QB your organization has now.