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I still contend no well run team would have him on the roster next year. You got to move on from him. And you can't put the #1 overall pick, 3 year starter as the backup...that creates horrific in house dynamics.

I do think there is a win/lose aspect he is presently in with his QB situation. Let's say he does some really good Steve Wilks play ugly to win coaching......with a really ugly game plan beats SF (which we could have), gets New Orleans, and a Tampa game. Completely minimizes Bryce Young. well, that would have put him at 9-8 on the season. And then......Bryce Young is going nowhere. Maybe Morgan replaces Dalton but the Bryce conundrum gets even worse. Now you go that 5th year. and we know Bryce is going to get unfair credit. He already gets absurd credit for anything that goes okay. you are to an extent damned if you do if you are Canales IMO. I want them all gone. I just don't think Tepper can get the hire. I think the only way Tepper can get a good hire....is to give a decent coach way more power than Tepper would like.

As a general optimist who tries to be even handed, I was in the “I have hope” but it’s now gone category. I acknowledged that the bad games were more frequent than the OK ones which were in turn more frequent than the good ones. I just held out hope that he could put things together and more consistently perform at those mid and higher levels. But I’m off that train now. I think he can probably improve his consistency a bit from where he is, but it’ll never be good enough. He’s on the roster next year because he’s under contract, but I don’t think we should pick up his 5th year option and definitely not extend him. He may start next year too because there genuinely are not as many competent QBs as there are starting spots in the league, so the alternatives are all trash. But we’ve got to get fresh blood in the QB room and find our next starter.

Dalton was signed to a 2 year contract. That's not done just for preseason. Bryce is in year 3. He doesn't need a mentor. He needs a push. Dalton was here to protect Bryce through the remainder of his contract, minus the 5th year. Bryce has been shielded from threat. Plummer was nothing but camp fodder in his 2nd year, terrible to the point he should have been churned in week 2 or 3 of preseason, but we bring him back year 3 and low and behold, he still sucks. No real number 2 or attempt to get one. No rookie QB. Give Bryce everything he needs and keep him comfortable has been the strategy for 2 years hoping to improve on the disaster that was his rookie season. It's still a disaster.

Canales biggest problem is himself. He cannot figure out what the average Huddler can. We ran the ball to substantially above average success against the 49ers but then continued to call pass play after pass play for a bad QB. The overall fault of the offensive struggling fall far more into Canales lap than even Bryce's. How many times has he continued to do the exact same thing? Go away from something working for unknown reasons?

I know he's is probably a 2027 guy, but what's the read on gunner stockton?

Canales' biggest issue, is Morgan has left him w/ basically zero options to go to. Canales IMO is fugged. I fully believe he could of coached us to a win Monday night. But winning in spite of Bryce fugs him.....with Bryce staying in play. I mean, what do you do. Put all your cards on winning in spite of Bryce and just praying they will move on from despite the odds being low

I disagree. I think he is not blamed enough. The one thing ex-players and coaches(across all sports) consistently talk about is how important good ownership is for franchise success. Of the overall fault, more than 95% lays at Tepper's feet. These are all the people he selected fuging this all up.

Panthers families going to be debating Bryce this Thanksgiving..

Totally agree. Get him on the court and encourage him to be a ball hog. Make his so tempting to a draft partner that they give away the farm for him and continue building around Miller, Kon, Kalk and Bridges.

I suspect we know the direction by mid January

Of the 44 Tackles For Loss on the season, a mere 22.7%(10) are from ILB's on the season. Secondary: 14 DL: 10 OLB/EDGE: 10 The ILB's we have are somewhere between 2nd string and PS quality. They are substantially worse than anticipated.

as much as I like to bash David Tepper, I am of the belief the QB issue is rooted with the folks Tepper employs to make those actual calls/decisions. With both his pro teams. He might want to put the final stamp on things but he is doing it all off the sales job they do on their decisions. The Bryce folks never left. Fitterer simply got fired because of the collective mess and embarrassment that went down. Morgan went into this season because Morgan (part of the team that brought us Bryce)......still believed. And orchestrated a shame QB room to keep him safe. And Morgan refused to trade Bryce and allowed the comeback when the national consensus after Dave benched and moved on from him 2 weeks into his era......was to trade him. Because that is what teams do when they dump a QB like Bryce in that fashion. Nothing we can do about Tepper. And I think Tepper has reached a point where he is overblamed. I think the biggest issue on Bryce and why we went into this season with a shame QB room......is Dan Morgan and his team.

They made him look worse than Sam. Wilks had him on the scout team as a DE lol

"I have been saying he sucks the whole fuging time." Lmaoooo...pie this if that describes you perfectly.

Part of me says a good QB would flip things dramatically and a part of me thinks the NFLs best days are behind them already. Since 2020 there has been a noticeable decline in overall quality. The school level is fugged and isn't producing talent the way it was or needs too. There seems to be more to it but I don't know why. The pay goes up and the rules protect more but the quality looks worse every year. I don't know if Tepper will allow it and if he does how ling before he fuggs that up too?

Aho tonight

Tbf bam had 6 tackles 1 tfl and they held all world cmc to 84 rush yards on 3.7 ypc. That I am content with. The pass rush still needs work but compared to last year's record setting bad run d this year is a lot better. None of them are keuchly but they're better than I thought

Walker

Great find on this, rough to see it laid out like that. Now we know why he plays so well against ATL.

This team put so much stock in Young they basically had no choice but to continue to stick with him through this season. I think the way this season has gone it has basically confirmed he just isn't the guy. Trade him cut him I don't care just give him and us a fresh start. He should not be on this roster to start next year but likely will. If they pick up the 5th year I will honestly be speechless and absolutely done with Morgan and Canales. This is assuming Tepper truly will sit back and let those two make the decision on him.

Surely the front office knows this. Jesus that's awful

I think Geno and Murray are the vets I don't want, especially on their current contract. I am so over the Seattle connections with this crew. It started with Fritts and it's been a mistake since then.

someone with a strong enough arm to play football outdoors. Bryce Young has 39 NFL starts. He has just 7 games indoors. In those 7 games, they contain 83% of his starts where he threw for more than 2 TDs (so every game but 1 was indoors) and 53% of his 200+ yard games as a passer.

Sign Marcus Mariota as FA and trade for Will Levis (6th or later). Cut Bryce and Andy.