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Gotta wait for some preseason games but sounds like Horn hitting waivers could be risky. Moore would probably be on the couch waiting for a spot to open due to injury. Gonna depend on how the return game looks in preseason as well, if Horn gets some time back there

Over the years PFF seem to have more hits than misses with thier prospect evaluations. And with our recent draft history im all for a change of philosophy

I agree and they keep playing it on the Football Network. I watch the first quarter and that's enough

We wont trade him anyway, even if he had a market. I really dont see the need for him to see the field all that often though.

I agree. I just don't know what the market looks like for him. I mean WR trades the last few years the returns are minimal. Even a guy like Hopkins who is 33 only got a 5th in return when he was traded to the Chiefs last year. Unfortunately I feel it's likely at the end of the day that we are virtually the only team valuing Thielen the way we do.

No way you keep old butterfinger Moore over Horn. I would release Moore early see if he can get on with another team.

I think it’s between Horn and Moore.

He is not wrong though. If any team would give us a defensive piece worth acquiring for AT you have to jump on that. Top 3 should be Tet, XL, Coker, Renfrow is younger and cheaper, if he is healthy probably offers more upside as well.

Careful. You'll rustle some jimmies.

Many National NFL types, like Brett Kollman, already lauded the Panthers draft and free agent acquisitions. Kollman also said that he had a "buddy in coaching" that observed the practices that said the players were "night and day" better, and other local reporters from Charlotte and The Triangle, who aren't afraid to be critical, have noted the change as well. Moreover, I've always appreciated PFF and its analytics. I've also said many times that there's a difference between PFF's business of grading of players (which all 32 NFL teams use to some extent) and team/player rankings on the Internet (basically for clicks). So, yeah, "2 light practices" or not, I think the PFF link to the Panthers is fully positive. So yeah, you may be laughing...until you're not.

Can we trade Thielen for a depth CB or LB? He and Renfrow are redundant on this roster.

Keep doing it until you get it right

Any shot he had was ended when he tore his ACL.

Vintage Hutner in action on this route cooking this dude up https://x.com/kassidyghill/status/1949177044434366949?s=46&t=f55N0zsNFevD-XGJBWj1-A if healthy, he is not going to be #6 in reality

From Darin Gantt: Play of the day: Hunter Renfrow keeps making plays "Panthers head coach Dave Canales almost shrugged when asked about the sequence and Renfrow's first week in camp..." "I mean, it's just the Hunter Renfrow I remember," Canales said. "So he looks healthy, and I think everyone who's watched football over the last four or five years remembers what he looks like. And he's really playing at top form right now. I'm really excited to have him here and to have his family, which is right down the road here after this practice to be able to just connect with him. "And it's a great story that's unfolding right in front of our eyes, so it's really exciting to see him playing out there." https://www.panthers.com/news/play-of-the-day-hunter-renfrow-keeps-making-plays More and more evidence. But you non-believers keep thinking what you're thinking...

What? That's not what it is at all. He's talking about the folks trashing Ickey because he's beating him. He's saying that Ickey is great but he's just that dude.

All I can say for sure is his confidence is a very very welcome addition to this pass rush group. Just gotta keep backing it up. But we definitely need all the juice we can get on the defensive line. Give me this all day.

I had a feeling on draft day Princely would be the impact edge rusher for us..... still have that feeling

Icky's soft...we all damn know it.

would not be surprised if Barno's back at the roster at some point Dan churns the bottom of the roster a lot throughout the season

I have some optimism. There's a difference between being somewhat optimistic and wanting to jump head first into an all-PFF analytics department after two decent light contact practices.

I don't know that it is the QBs that should be scared, but the big man certainly gets attention. He gets a lot of double and even triple teams to try to contain him, and that makes everyone else better. He is a scary man on the field.

I don't know that anything would get you excited at this time of year. It's a lot more fun to be optimistic, brother.