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In the last 5 years, nearly 10% of the NFL's starting QBs were / are (at some point) on the Panther's roster. Of those QBs, their 2025 win percentage (regular season) was (combined-- the Seahawks, Bucs, and Panthers) won 30 of 51 games--nearly 60%--in 2025. At an average of 10 wins per season, a team has a better than 90% chance of making the playoffs. (Heck, I nearly added Caleb Williams to this forumula since we basically gave the Bears their QB as well). I

Okay, the way I understand the trade according to one article I read is the 7th got flipped to a 5th. so we gained a 5th and lost our 7th. Is that correct?

Sam was the only turd that floated in our offense. That should have been a sign that the potential was there. I advocated for keeping him and getting some talent around him, but Tepper and co held on to the delusion that they needed to draft a QB #1 overall.

do we have pick #235 or not? Some sites have us with it and some have the Vikings. I know it was part of the Thielen trade, but I thought due to playing time, we got it back.

I'm consistently mocking OT, ILB, Edge, CB, and WR-(s). Either a S or second Edge/ILB regularly. I'm starting to a C consistently to the mix now. Depending on who is left at #19, I wouldn't mind moving back to get a another late 3rd or 4th rounder.

We gotta be realistic. One, we're probably not spending big money at backup QB. Two, someone like Willis who is likely looking for at least an opportunity for a legit QB competition probably won't be coming here. So what are we left with? Given the choices, Howell checks a lot of boxes.

and yet in his only year starting is still comparable if not better than bryces best year. let that marinate a bit

He has potential. His year in Washington without a running game and under pressure almost every play he still managed to put up numbers. I'm not saying start him, but as a QB2 with potential, yeah, I like it for the right price. I hold no illusions that he's a franchise QB, but is he better than Dalton with age on his side and opportunity to get better? Yes. It's time to start throwing some darts. And let's be real. If Bryce wasn't a Panther, no one on this board would be screaming to trade for him if he was available.

More physical talent than Bruce and a lot cheaper. Right now I'm desperate to avoid a long-term extension for Bryce.

UNC homers.

We have to go heavy defense and throw some OL in the mix at some point.

My dream FA splash signing. TMac, Coker, and Pitts would be a legit scary skill group for Bryce or whoever the next guy is. If Brooks comes back healthy to pair with Chubba, sheesh

I loved Durant as a college player but he never had NFL ability (same story with Marquise Williams) I was surprised Yates carved put a decent little backup career for himself too. I didn't think he'd get more than a cup of coffee in the NFL.

Why is Sam Howell so loved on this board? dude is absolute cheeks

Sam Howell, Mitch Trubisky, Darian Durant, Matt Baker, T.J. Yates, there's surely a legend hidden in there somewhere.

Hey man baby steps. You aren't wrong, but 2022 Tepper and Fitt would have already signed him to a 3 year extension at 50M per. There aren't really any immediate upgrade options available this year in FA or where we will be drafting so I get the approach. I am nowhere near convinced Bryce is our long term guy yet, but also have to be realistic that we have a team to field next year. Regardless, I like our approach of building an actual team this time and if in 27 or 28 we decide we need a new guy, there's an actual NFL roster around him.

Happy for Sam. His request for music was always Blink 182. Always nice. I remember a private party with all the players at Shaq's house, all the guys liked him too, always having fun with everyone. Cool dude. SF opened his eyes to "doing it right" and then he showed it in Minnesota and now Seattle. Watch more vets under the right leadership and surroundings excel. Sometimes players need a few years in the right environment to succeed.

A guy that can move around? With a live NFL arm? Who won't cost a lot? I mean... I know a guy

And for the mess that is "nine"

I don't have any disdain for Sam like I do Baker. Fatt Fhule was never going to be successful regardless of quarterback. Hoping the Seahawks win it.

How they treated the Baker/Sam thing was a joke. He was used as a DE on the PS. He may not have been any good here had he really been given a chance to succeed, but that whole situation was a clusterfug. I don't blame him for wanting out of this Tepper led poo show.

Might be the only terms on which both sides could agree. Morgan probably wanted 3 years and Mays' agent probably pushed him for a prove-it deal. Immediately leaking the desire to test the market only furthers this notion.

I'm sure someone can look it up on this board, but back when we jettisoned Darnold, I'd tried to defend him saying that he was still a young QB with a high ceiling, he was just surrounded here with bad coaching and a poorly built team. I said he'd see a Super Bowl before we did. And people just laughed. Same folks who said Baker Mayfield sucked and was a washout. Same folks who live to slam Bryce. (And honestly, my decision on Bryce is still hanging out there, undecided, swaying from yes to no). I'm not saying I know a damned thing about raising up a QB, but I know that I'm not as clueless as some others. Some of these kids that come out as top draft picks get thrown into the fire on a badly built team, a desperate lower tier HC, OCs and QB coaches that are struggling to move up the ladder and an injured, mad fanbase that wants immediate results or it's to the chopping block with some kid that just had the temerity to do well in college football and then come to the podium when their name was called.

I like Pat Coogan. Was a fan when he was at ND.