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Yep. His OCs back in his Seattle days were guys like Darrell Bevell, Brian Schottenheimer and Shane Waldron.

I need to go back and review this and the other thread

Give me Aho tomorrow

DC was only full an OC one year and it was with the Bucs on Baker's "bounce back year." That year Baker posted his lowest average yards per attempt outside the the year he played here/LAR at 7.1. This is with Evans and Godwin as his WRs too. When DC left the very next year he went from 7.1 to 7.9. DC does test the deep ball periodically but so far his offenses rely heavily on quick pass first reads. He does try to run to setup the pass, but he is also too quick to abandon the run. He is honestly still very green as a play caller much less one that is also a HC.

You're not demonstrating a very good grasp of the offensive principles here. Coryell: combine power run game with deep downfield passing to keep the box from being stacked underneath WCO: pitch and catch / extended handoffs; throw short to skill players and let them get yards after catch; backs are mostly fast, shifty types but it's good to have a power runner for short yardage and goal line situations; occasional downfield chucks to back the defense off the line but they're not bread and butter

I've primarily looked at the offensive side of things, likely because that's where most of the discussion is centered. Given there's a pretty solid chance we move on from Evero next season, I probably should pay more attention to the other side of the ball.

Every offense Canales has grown up in or ran before being employed here has required a QB with an aggressive downfield nature to them to function properly. There are no exceptions to that....people try to built one here. That is not Bryce's style. and his bland and boring O here requires the same thing here and doesn't have it at the QB spot

Pretty much... Typical WCOs do take occasional deep shots but they're not as reliant on them as a traditional Coryell style would be. Reid and NcNabb back in Philly certainly took shots downfield (and NcNabb was capable) but it definitely wasn't Coryell style.

I'd leave out the stats but agree outside of that. I reference Newton here because there was a long running debate here about tying the team's win-loss record to him.

Yeah, people have this big idea of Canales being some deep shot, big play offensive playcaller but I don't think he has had to dramatically adapt his offense for Bryce. Bryce just stinks and it's also a pretty middling offensive scheme.

Bryce: Point guard, WCO distributor Canales: Walsh style WCO influences You have to learn to differentiate between playing style and ability. Joe Montana and Chad Pennington were similar style-wise But there's a huge disparity between their levels of ability and success.

I don’t think scheme is an issue. We use nickel more than 3-4 and have featured 4 DL plenty of times. Gone are the days of a primary base defense IMO.

Had I just looked and said Kochetkov there was an actual shot at this....

Probably more like the last two than the last three (three seasons ago was Reich). The team is showing legitimate improvement under Canales, But the goal isn't to be better than you used to be. The goal is to be great. I'm not convinced we reach that goal with Bryce.

I think statistics, results and the eye test have been a very conclusive and whole picture of what a bad QB looks like.

What if the next DC prefers a 4-3 scheme though?

Tilis isn't really a personnel guy based on his resumé. He's more of an analyst/ organizational type. (that's why I wasn't in favor of him as a GM candidate) That's not to say he doesn't have personnel input, mind you. But that's not truly where his expertise lies. What he does bring to the organization is experience, history and a solid record in areas that aren't necessarily Morgan's strong suit.

What exactly are you claiming is Bryce's style then? and what are you claiming is the offensive style of the Canales tree? They are not a match. I mean, his physical limitations influence what Bryce's style is

He's already in the kind of offense that best suits his playing style... ...and it still isn't good enough

If it comes to a choice between the two, Cam is much more deserving. Even today there are still sports media & coaches that compare present day & upcoming QBs play to Cam's & not just those with a direct connection to the Panthers.

Young's playing style definitely fits Canales. On style only, it could also fit Reich but Reich had a well-known preference for taller quarterbacks. Bryce's stature would have necessitated some retooling that I'm not certain happened. His issues here aren't style related so much as they are his physical limitations.

It's also disappointing

Tilis? (I haven't looked back at the timeline but that'd be a connection)

Todd Wash has more coaching experience, more DC (defensive coordinator) experience, more familiarity with DC (,Dave Canales) and probably the endorsement of DC (,Dom Capers) from previous stops. That said, Cooley is considered a hot DC candidate and, for what it's worth, ties as both a player and coach to John Carroll University. JCU has been a factory for producing solid NFL coaches and leaders. There's also the other "Carroll connection" to consider (Pete)

Lol thanks for the laugh this morning !