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Today regardless of the Browns loss, Shedeur #144 pick outplayed the #1 pick. If he gets a full off season and starts next year I think he will do well. The only time that would have been good to grab him was just how the Browns got him for cheap. I would have drafted him as he would have been better than Dalton as a backup.

The word there is entitlement. And no, NFL teams aren't gonna want to deal with that...nor should they. Realistically, if he didn't have his dad's name behind him, nobody would be hyping this kid as the next big thing.

Yeah. Well you want a clear path you don’t want to be blocked. Loser winner whatever.

It also takes patience to not give up resources for a guy who's had two starts, one of those being against the worst team in the league. As mentioned, that's Matt Flynn style thinking.

lol Shedeur is a rookie and is already better than Bryce. Bryce didn’t have a single game like that as a rookie. Shedeur has only started, what? 2 or 3 games? And it’s not after one good game, I’ve been saying he was possibly the best QB in this draft class - number two at worst, prior to the draft. I think he fell because owners had an axe to grind with Deion and Shedeur also suffers from the same issue Cam faced as a personality - he’s too big to be a backup and teams don’t want that distraction in their backup.

He's following logic set forth by the great 17th century football coach John Milton A rookie with a losing record in college refusing to sit behind a well established NFL starter is definitely a red flag.

You guys sure have some sick burns for people who have preached patience for 3 straight years to wait for a QB to show us he is the 32nd ranked starting QB since he’s been in the league. I also said to never trade up in the 2023 draft and wait for Drake Maye the next year. Yet, here we are. But yuck it up fellas…

Damn, they had to see that Bills beatdown live?

You aren't worried about rushing numbers and I'm not worried about completion percentages... Mayfield is a kind of QB that will always have a lower completion percentage. Mayfield is also not a superstar, but he's good, and he also had had an offense that was completely ravaged by injuries this year. Over Mayfield's career, he has a 95.4, 94.2, and 83.1 QB rating on 1st, 2nd, 3rd down. This year he's at 88.9, 106.6, 87.3. Bryce's career he is 88, 72.5, 75.7 on 1st/2nd/3rd; this year he's 94.4, 80.1, 73.4 Stats are relatively useless but when a player is below average in virtually everything, it tells you a lot about their general performance. I am still holding out hope he improves but you sound like you'd be content with 2025 Bryce playing for us for the next decade. He is clutch on 4th, meh on other downs, but yeah he has a great TD%. I hope he improves, but I am getting skeptical. He is so inconsistent.

That's true, but last year was only 1 yard less than 2022 / 2023 basically (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/NFL/passing.htm )... This year may bounce up - the average this week was above the 212. We'll see though.

He’s trying to be better

Apparently wearing a thong makes you a better QB https://x.com/mlfootball/status/1997834727332663344?s=46

passing totals last season were at their lowest level since 2008 with four games left to go this season, the average ypg is even lower-212 ypg average league wide.

No, it is. The article claims that 2022 had YPG of 228. That is incorrect. See https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/index.htm , 2022 average yards 218 (well 218.5), https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/index.htm 2021 average yards 228. 2024 was the mid season number, which went up later in the season.

Stat nerds

Not incorrect at the time it was written which was mid season last year

Yes, Mayfield is above average with INT %. He's actually very good there. I'll give you that. I'm not worried about rushing numbers. Young is 67.5% on 1st, 66.2% on second and 57.6% on 3rd downs. Mayfield is 59.2% on 1st, 66.4% on 2nd and 53.6% on 3rd downs. I bring all of this up only because I think people on the board have an idea in their head that is not supported by the facts. Everyone keeps bringing up his bad stats but when you compare them to other QB's with similar experience, they are all pretty much statistically the same. Better in some areas, worse in others.

The article unfortunately has incorrect numbers. See https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/index.htm, 2022 average yards 218 (well 218.5), https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/index.htm 2021 average yards 228. So we went from 218 in 2022, to 219 in 2023, to 217 in 2024, to ?? in 2025. My point was that is hardly a drop off over that duration / the last few years... So yes, long term decline, but in the recent time we've not really lost many yards per game.. We will see how this year finishes out. With Burrow back, he alone may elevate those averages lol. As to QBs throwing for yards, of the 6 starters that are throwing for more than 250 yards per game, they are a combined 48-26-1, so I'd argue that 250 yards in the air per game gives you a real good chance. In contrast, starting QBs averaging less than 200 are all on losing teams - other than Aaron Rodgers and Bryce Young.

Josh Allen is gonna be the best QB in the AFC playoffs hmmmm feels like this year is scripted for him

And maybe some Saints Bucs to see what we have to deal with

Time to watch the Bills Bengals highlights since I had to work earlier, looked like a crazy game

They brought enough off field distractions on themselves the last couple of years, bound to hit a wall at some point. fug em

“Analytics”

I didn't fail to bring up Caleb Williams, re-read my post. I said he's an unknown. He's a 2nd year starter on a team winning games, but are they winning because of him? Hard to say, but he is contributing. Baker Mayfield is 11th in QBR, 14th in yards despite the TON of injuries that offense has had, 10th in QB rushing yards, 12th in TDs (and above the average in TD% lol), 25th in INTs (league average would be something like 16th). So yes, he's quite a bit ahead of the average in many categories. Bryce is only ahead of the average in specific situational stats (4th down, GWD, 4QCB) and in TDs. And yes, he's done well on 4th down, but in contrast his 2nd and 3rd down passing rating is awful. Meanwhile, nearly every other player you listed is ahead of the average in multiple categories. Also, on their careers, Mahomes is still ahead of Bryce in 4th quarter passer rating (108 vs 105). But Bryce is great there. Of course Mahomes is phenomenal on every down, but Bryce doesn't need to be Mahomes. I just hope he finds his way to being a better QB for us.

Love seeing some empty ass Chiefs stands lol.