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Hell, "average at best," in pass pro is a low key bashing. Hell, he still can't get recognition for being average for arguably the most important part of his job.

recovery is largely pure luck and how the ball bounces. Putting the ball on the ground at a high rate is a bad thing. Maybe QB A fumbles 10 times a year and QB B fumbles 3 times a year. QB B loses all 3 of his. QB A somehow has 8 of his recovered in a quirky year. QB A is still the bigger risk/red flag going forward. and again, Bryce has a high fumble rate.......and isn't holding the ball looking for big pass plays, willingly putting his body in play, carrying a large load on his shoulders, or big yardage producer. It's one of his clear negative qualities. Just a reality. At this rate, the Bryce squad is going to start arguing him being tiny is actually an advantage lol.

Next year we play Lions, Tigers, and Bears (and Ravens) at home... along with NFC WEST and AFC WEST. Our away games will be vs the Browns, Packers, Vikings, Steelers, and NFC East GOOD NEWS (unless we get a Europe game, which isn't out of the question) is that our away travel schedule is fairly close to home. None of our away games are past the Central timezone. I'd be surprised if we were scheduled to *host* a home match in Germany until 2028 based on rotation. Based on today's standings, we would play the Chargers and Seahawks at home, and Cowboys away.

He threw one just like the two yesterday to XL a couple three weeks ago. Caught it in the EZ so no YAC but there would have been in the right part of the field. A lot of it is the protection has been very good.

Please do not rush him back if he is not completely healthy. Don't need him screwing up his biceps again and missing games next year also... That being said, would definitely be nice having him back at RG. Although I do think Curhen has been pretty solid and was a good find off of the Cardinal's practice squad

Bryce has lost 6 fumbles, not 11, which is only 2 more than CJ Stroud.

McMillan is the 7th overall receiver in the NFL right now. Not rookie, but all of the NFL right now. This fact should not be undervalued or downplayed. He is in front of Jefferson (albeit with 3 more snaps) and behind Chase (albeit with 13 less snaps). He's right there with them, and that's notwithstanding the Panthers situation, and notwithstanding that he is a rookie. I say, "He is in their stratosphere," and I ain't stuttering. We have a real one, regardless of who doesn't realize it.

As far as I'm concerned, they both have comfortably lived up to those contracts so far.

Doubtful. Falcons without Penix and London are very bad, and the Saints are very bad. Since the Cardinals didn't pull off the upset, the Dolphins are the only team with a chance of upsetting them. At the end of the day, we will have to sweep Tampa twice because they will have the better division record otherwise because of our shitting the bed against the Saints

I'm not even sure this is a debate. He's turned himself into one of the top LT's in football. Can't let him walk this early. His first 3 years, I thought he was a bust, so kudos to him for growing mentally, and physically. I'd call him a cornerstone of the franchise at this point. I anticipate having to take a RT replacement in a draft pretty soon.

Alaric Jackson and Ronnie Stanley got extensions recently at relative bargains, which should help in negotiations. Between that, the 5th year being a relative bargain plus the option to tag puts us in reasonable negotiating position. With cap rises, it will still require roughly top 10 money, but I don't see him coming close to resetting the tackle market.

We weren’t supposed to be winning the division and were picked last and third by just about everyone. Including the rational people here. We still have a chance at the division in December and will almost certainly finish second at worst. I am not unhappy about it. I will be unhappy with a 2nd place schedule next year.

Beat the Saints, beat Tampa at home, rest the starters against Seattle and try to be as healthy as possible for week 18 (only if we have the same record as Tampa), beat Tampa again week 18.

Saints loss is what bit us. Deservedly so.

I didn’t think that’s how they determine a drop. I thought it is not what you could have caught, but what you should have caught. Is that wrong?

We’re not sweeping the Bucs.

Yep, unless we're in a win and in situation in Week 18, I don't see any reason for Hunt to come back.

Said it before, but even if you have an average LT...you pay him and just deal with it because the downside is so much worse. If you have a good LT? You pay him Top 5 money, fans panic at first because of the number, but then a couple years later it's back to being a bargain. OL offseason - Extend Icky. Re-sign Cade. Draft a couple guys, preparing for the departures of Moton/Hunt/Lewis over the next couple of seasons due to age or cap.

It's a shame we don't have much pass rush to speak of. I miss the days of having a Charles Johnson that dinged up QBs had to think about.

That's because tmac gets his hands on pretty much everything that is close to catchable. It doesn't count as a drop if you can't get close to the ball when it's thrown to you. What's xl's catch percentage

Ended up all good, my parlay cashed thanks to pats finally given Henderson the ball and kafka trotting dart out there down 18 with 2 minutes left for some reason

I still don't think there's any chance we make it deep down, but pre-season all I wanted was to be in the "in the hunt" graphic this time of year. Successful year, and what many here (myself included) thought was still a very flawed roster, has a chance to have a winning season. It's still a flawed roster, and we dropped games we should've won, won games we should've lost, but for the first time in a long time I'm happy watching Panthers football in December. Whatta world.

And Bake will do Bake things

Everyone is probably tired of hearing me say it in all the Icky bashing threads, but this is the first time he's been with the same system/staff for two consecutive seasons since college and I knew he would end up being the guy. So 1) I told you so. (sorry, I was right about something. I need the recognition my father never gave me) 2) Pay him. He's going to continue to get better. and +1 to we need to learn how to draft guards again

I'm still on the Legette train. He's gonna be anywhere from solid to stud. He needs a little more time and some better play from the QB position.