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Back in my day! But seriously, it is shameful what it has all become, and it’s only going to get worse.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/46683459/2025-nfl-offseason-tiers-32-teams-best-worst-signings-trades-draft-barnwell Slightly above expectations Highlights: Trading WR Adam Thielen, signing RB Rico Dowdle (one year, $2.8 million), drafting fifth-round TE Mitchell Evans Disappointments: Re-signing CB Mike Jackson (two years, $10.5 million) The Panthers chose the right time to move on from Thielen, who had been productive in Carolina before being dealt to Minnesota just before the season. He has been lost in the shuffle there. While the Panthers won't see the fourth-round pick that forms the bulk of the return for Thielen until 2027, getting out from what was owed to a player who has 47 receiving yards in Minnesota is an easy victory. Dowdle has been a revelation since moving into the starting lineup after Chuba Hubbard's injury, becoming one of a handful of players in NFL history to produce consecutive 200-yard scrimmage games. The former Cowboys back was averaging 3 yards per carry before the opportunity, so I'm not sure I would count on him playing like Jim Brown the rest of the way in a rotational role alongside Hubbard. But it's hard to argue that Carolina hasn't already gotten its $2.8 million worth out of the 27-year-old back. Most of Carolina's biggest moves are either tracking to be right around expectation (drafting wide receiver Tetairoa McMillan) or have been impacted by unexpected injuries (signing defensive tackle Tershawn Wharton). Jackson was a pleasant surprise as a starter in 2024, and he hasn't been terrible this season, but most of the big plays against Carolina have come on throws against the former Seahawks cornerback. Overall, though, this has been a very reasonable offseason for the Panthers

How would you have taken the guy who was picked ahead of us? That makes no sense.

I am not denying that things were said. That wasn’t my point. But carry on this will go nowhere. Oh snap, the post calling him a liar was like three posts before you jumped in. what do you get, a post a page?

AND The gambling and FF talk have made the pregame shows unwatchable. Between them trying to do their stupid little skits, talking about money lines, spots about so-and-sos hard life and lack of support from their drug addicted mom, and pushing fantasy football bullshit. They dont talk about Xs and Os But that probably a different soapbox

okay I didn’t hear it last night and I turned the captions on and scrolled through the video twice. With no luck seeing 1400 yards go by. Do you remember where in the timeline it was that he said that?

You’re misinterpreting. The past 2 pages have been calling this guy a liar and “deliberately obtuse” while over analyzing the use of the word “cheering” as the basis to call him a liar and say things never happened lol. Did it not happen at all or are they just comments and jokes in poor taste? Is this guy a liar or an internet autist who just can’t rise to the level of your nuanced message board dialogue to come to a reasonable conclusion about what anybody means by anything they’re saying?

I dont have a problem with sports betting per se People want to bet on sports so be it. I have a deep problem with the gambling platforms sponsoring the sports they are taking bets on and the white washing of their predatory practices with some small print in the last 3 seconds of their commercials No you are not getting $200 of free money to gamble with...

I mean c'mon

I am not saying what I would or wouldn't want us to do because it isn't draft time. My general rule is that if a draft has very strong and deep classes of a position, you target those. BPA, after all. So if those "need" positions fall into that, fine. But we often as an organization ignore these things and reach in drafts that have weak classes at specific positions. Hence why I don't agree with your philosophy for the most part. It's easy to understand the "need" part. But needs shouldn't lead to rash decisions and poor drafting. The past decade has been a textbook example of that here in Carolina. Ignoring BPA and reaching for need more than vice versa. With hefty amounts of "smartest guy in the room" syndrome, which has been a massive accelerant to the dumpster fire. We just aren't going to agree on draft strategy. We don't view team building the same way.

Damn y’all are gonna make me rewatch that now because I can’t believe anyone would seriously present that as a projection.

"Their" defense. Correcting myself

I agree with this. The money he would have gotten contributed to signing offensive talent. However you might feel about that. And yes he would look good in a Mr inside Mr outside thing with Brown, but we needed to develop new people that might be ready when the team is better equipped to take advantage. If that ever happens.

Calling any aspect of Bryce's game "elite" in 2025, lol

I mean, I obviously don't think it's impossible to find a Center outside of the 1st, in my last post I said that's what I'd be looking to use our 2nd round pick on this upcoming draft. And sure, if there is a TE there in the 4th or 5th round that we like, I'm not against taking them, but I also wouldn't consider taking a TE there "upgrading the position" in the sense we're talking about it here. That's a draft pick where it could upgrade the position, but not a concerted effort to upgrade the position, which are two different things. And that's my point... it's not about NOT upgrading the position, it's that I think we have potential at the position on cheap contracts for the next few years, and because of that, I'd personally rather use our 1st 3 draft picks and available cap room on other positions before considering a TE with them. With what we know right now, I'm ranking LB, DB, DE, Center, and backup OL as bigger needs than TE going into next offseason. Sure that could always change based on how our season finishes and/or who we sign in FA, but as of this moment, TE is not high on my list of upgrades for next year.

I get that there isn't much to talk about but this is a hell of a thread to have reached 8 pages over literally nothing. Highly likely that it was unintentional to stomp on him that way. Even if it was somehow intentional.....okay?

The Luchese crime family associate in the good fellas movie (Henry Hill) was involved in one of the worst incidents. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978–79_Boston_College_basketball_point-shaving_scandal

Never have liked the NBA, and quit watching college bball several years ago

And the pharma companies are still willing to pay to have those ads run because even getting the side effects read on air like that is still worth it to buy off the news companies from running pieces on their business practices.

The outrage is a bit overdone for the situation. A few people made comments and jokes that were in poor taste. No one wished injury. Are you going to paint every non believer with that brush?

This is basically me. I do think he has created quite a few of the problems the offense struggles with, outside of the bad QB situation.

Yes that was impressive

I have a thread from last week for you to read lol.

I will be wow'd by his play calling if he feeds Rico and stays out of his own way.

The context was that because of his good game that meant he will do that every week. I hope he does but he has not thus far.