SmokinwithWilly

The desperation was apparent after Teddy said he didnt have time to check out of a TD pass he couldnt make to a run play.

2 late 1st and a 3rs for Mahomes? That's all we have to give up? Get on the phone to the Chiefs right now before every other team in the NFL beats us to it.

We didn't lose that game because of Rhule. We lost that game because of Ron. No coach in his right mind would have kept playing Haskins after halftime or likely have let him suit up to start with after what he had done earlier in the week.

It's almost like having Ron coaching the Hornets.

It's funny you put none of the blame of what happened on Cam. Cam hurt himself with that stupid ass video. If you're a coach coming into the season, how does it look to you having a guy that posts a video on social media telling everyone how he LIED to the coaches, LIED to the trainers, LIED to doctors, LIED to the team owner about the seriousness of his injury and hurt the entire team in the process, and then acted like it was no big deal. That video made it all look like it was some kind of joke. That poo doesn't sit well with people. Everyone knows that guys play hurt. But there's a difference between being hurt and being injured. I know Cam put his body out there and played his style of football using his athleticism and size to try and run over people, but I still think that the reason he was let go had more to do with trust than people want to admit.

Now now. 7 7ths would be fair compensation dont ya think.

That's not just 4 1sts. 1sts dont always work out. That's 2 rookie contracts for high quality starters. Plus 2 1sts plus 2 2nds. Part of the issue with Watson is the size of his contract. You cant give away your impact players on their rookie contracts plus draft picks. Burns and Chinn for Watson because of contracts would make more sense.

Did I say sit him for 2 years? No. 1. And I'm not sure he would sit that long. Goff is terrible. They didnt trade for Goff to be the future. They traded away cap space for 1sts. I mean I guess you could call the Chiefs idiots for sitting Mahomes for a year and then moving on from Alex Smith. They wasted a year of his rookie contract. If you think your QB of the future is there, you take him. Franchise QB is the hardest position to find. No other position matters as much.

T.B. is not a decent backup, just an expensive one.

You do if you think you won't have a shot at the top 2 pick next year or you think it's a weak QB class. Coaches don't have 4 years to wait for something to pan out. If they like Lance, take him at 7, let him sit a year and compete with Goff in 2022. After 2022 Goff is gone and you have a seasoned starter, not a fresh rookie in your 3rd season as HC. And with 2 extra firsts they can afford a luxury QB pick if they think he's the future. It might not make a whole lot of sense in terms of draft capital, but the picture is bigger than that. Year 3 the HC and GM could already be on the hot seat. This is about more than just draft picks. HC and GM have to think about their futures as well.

Goff is not anyone’s answer at QB. Just because they traded for him doesn’t mean he’s the future in Detroit. QB at 7 is definitely still on the table.

Trade agreed to in principle. No paperwork filed officially.

That’s why as much as I don’t want TB here next year, he likely is. We will have to pay to get rid of that contract. We saw what it cost to dump the Osweiller contract. Getting rid of Goff’s was going to cost a 1st at least.

They left off “until Dan Snyder called and fugged up the process.” Well they didn’t leave it off, just said it a little more politically correct.

First off, I needed a break from the Watson trade talks. I still think we end up with more DW threads than days until trade deadline, but I digress. So without further ado, I'm a big proponent of trading down and trying to pick up extra picks if all 4 top QBs are gone by 8 and we don't make a move up to get one or end up with DW or MS, and Sewell is gone also. I've been thinking about trade partners and who could move and why and Jacksonville is a team I could see possibly wanting to trade back up and why. We would give our 1st (8) and 4th(103) for Jax 1st (25) and 2nds (33 and 45). Now of course you have to ask who would Jax move up to get. Surtain, Smith, Chase, Slater, Parsons all possible to be available. But the player I could see them moving up for is Pitts. Everyone has seen how much a TE can exploit a defense and Pitts presents a mismatch nightmare and a great safety net for a rookie QB. He could be considered an elite talent. Now if we moved down it would open up a plethora of options having 4 picks in the top 45. We could add a QB like Newman, Trask or Jones if we wanted and still have extra picks to grab 2 guys that fall out of the first and bolster some positions where we are thin. The trade is skewed in our favor naturally, an elite talent level pick for 3 very talented picks. Jax might want a 3rd instead of a 4th but it would still calculate in our favor. Given how many holes we have, with the top 4 being gone, and a chance to have 3 instant contributors vs 1, would you make that move?

Cant we just bring back Clausen if we wanna go that route.

Sounds like he was just around the Hurndog too much.

There's more to the NFL than playing the game. Theres a business side to this too and most of these guys arent to good at that judging by the 75% of them that are broke 5 years after retirement. JR always wanted this to be a family organization and at some point you cant do that anymore. Break ups are ugly. People arent happy. poo gets blown out of proportion. This is part of the business.

Because Bill O’Brian thought Tunsil and Stills was worth 2 1sts and Andre Hopkins was only worth a 4th and a bloated RB contract. He is one of the few GMs I would take Hurney over.

I think Tepper underestimated the level of Hurney’s stupidity. He wasn’t here for the first run so he hadn’t seen how so many of these deals had actually ended up.

I think more people were upset about Ron being fired than were upset about Rhule being hired.

I think it's too steep because Houston has no leverage here. They can ask whatever they want but Watson is driving this train. We need Watson to say the Panthers is where he wants to be. Use that to get the asking price down. I think 3 1sts and our 2nd this year plus TB and we get Watson and their 2nds in 22 and 23.