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The thing to remember here, JR did not hire and fire people based on results. Sure DG might not have lasted, maybe he should of stuck around until JR was gone...hell we’d be a couple years ahead of the JR, HC, GM and Cam were all replaced at the same time. Could’ve even been McD and Beane here instead. Biggest failure here not learning when to let go, something DG had down. Anyone who has followed this team for a while knows the dumbass Kalil signing was a pure JR ‘family’ move appeasing his fan favorites. Such an erratic move that conflicted with everything and anything DG did and his style made that painfully obvious. Oh well spilled milk. At least the new tenure seems to finally catch the hint that moving on quick from failure is important and things don’t need to be dragged out.

An NFL to the Carolinas had more probability to exist without JR than it did without PSL owners willing to build a stadium and tax payers willing to pay for a team, as well as what the NFL saw as an areas that would generate demand. With that in mind, it was unfortunate an owner who cared more about business than winning was that person designated. I don’t think any owner ‘earned’ money from the locals to finance a team. I also don’t see it as some sort of ‘effort’. It was simply a profitable business opportunity and without JR it would have just been someone else.

One man cannot possibly do that. PSL owners, demand, and tax payers made the Carolina Panthers a reality. If it wasn’t JR it would’ve been another person. Because the former 3 things (a local market and one willing to pay for a team) were there. JR was just the guy who was able to own it. Lucky for him. Unfortunate for the Carolinas.

Exactly. JR cared about revenue first and foremost...of course the draft was all about who got paid most lol. It’s really was a shame is he was the owner for 20 years.

Don’t know....it’s be a very weird correlation between contracts Hurney gives out and hell even players he drafts that all of sudden become complacent and siphon the team for money, reward money, injury money, and farewell money, I was going to list examples but that’s take a while... Thats per of the evaluation process though, and the GM is he person doing the evaluating. The Patriots, who dominated Super Bowls in the last 20 years for example cut ties very quickly, don’t give players injury and reward contracts, they’re the anti-Hurney in every sense. Sure it’s not perfect, but it’s on the GM evaluation abilities when players constantly get paid, or injured, or go pas their prime...then all of a sudden DGAF.

Very few teams made in anywhere in the playoffs since you’ve probably been watching football with the 18th ranked oline. So not quite legit...

Unless we draft a QB we plan on playing day 1, or trade for starting QB, or get a 3rd pick or more, or blatantly tanking - eating up 10m dead for TB for butthurt spite will be a bad move. Great we can easily find a QB who will push it downfield but unless he can win games or he’s basically free why waste more cap money? I don’t see any QB there at 8 you’d want to start right away.... I’m definitely not saying TB is even close to being desirable, but the contract is already done, no reason to double fug ourselves because of it. Will be interesting to see what the plan is....or if there even is one.

Sounds great part of me wonders how our current oline outside of a couple names would do in this rookie OL camp lol

In reality, Norwell has played at least average and far from ‘failing all over the field’ since he left but has struggled to stay on the field due to injuries. Both Turner and Norwell are almost identical in stats. I don’t blame anyone for Turner over Norwell, it was the right call simply because he was younger. But slacking off after being paid and dealing with injuries are two different scenarios. At least Norwell will give you bare minimum average play even including his injuries AND let’s be real doing that on the Jags is impressive. Where as Turner got paid and immediately fell off a cliff. It really wouldn’t be so bad to have Norwell on this team but for cheap, not with his shitty contract.

Yes. Paying 2 quality olineman money is not a bad thing and Paradis will be gone after next year. Other than QB oline and dline are most important. I know in Panther land it’s the norm to pay LBs, RBs, and washed up olineman but in reality those positions are not as important. Has this team paid any quality long term olineman since gross and R Kalil left? I can’t remember any. Maybe Williams 1 year deal for 8m. Maybe Paradis who has sucked for one year and average last year. Turner? Until he was traded. Wish this team would stop trying to squeeze by with the oline year after year it just doesn’t work. And the evaluations they’ve had on olineman have been awful.

I’m not too concerned, you don’t get anywhere in without being able to beat good teams Panther fans have a habit of thinking success will finally come once the Saints cap catches up with them or the older QBs in the south finally retire... but in reality if the Panthers only means of success is for others to fail, well that’s not exactly a sustainable, winning mentality sure it’d be ideal to have the Patriots bullshit schedule every year they’ve had last two decades but ultimately it shouldn’t matter if the right people are in place and make effective proactive decisions.

Exactly. Despite his past years showing no pattern at all it’s painfully obvious that in 2021 he has become a raging racist. I bet he has white players at the top of his RB and CB lists.

You need some serious help with comprehension. There is literally no one who thinks this. Your life must truly suck being this confused about what people say and reality.

I don’t think his production is all of a sudden going to be even more with a better QB. He’ll be covered more with a QB who makes him a deep threat and the QB might be rushed less. No one was scared TB was going to hit DJ 50 yards down the field lol and they played like it. Did teams ever send help? I just remember a lot of 1v1 and that was without cmc. I still think he’d be as good though, and more importantly the possibility of a 50 yard bomb with a better qb will open up the offense.

That’s not exactly a risky/hot take - it’s all but written in stone. I’m just saying I’d rather have TB and/or a rookie than trade a high round pick for basically nothing (Darnold). Trading TB and giving picks for Darnold is basically the most wasteful route you could go IMO unless you have a QB that you believe is your guy, you know will be there at 8, and don’t want to sit him and start him day 1 which is not only impossible to know but doubtful.

meh we can build the team with TB for another year without trading picks and I don’t think he has ‘it’ to be the future. Who knows though he could be Allen and just need more time. But I’d rather draft a raw QB to sit for a year or work on building a solid team than trade anything ridiculous away. But I’m a fan more concerned with how we look 2023 and beyond more than being continuously butthurt I’m not instantly gratified.

TB is just going around like A Smith and Fitz as a bridge QB like most teams do until they get their guy. No need to add to dead money though if Panthers don’t have a plan, which is what I assume they’d do before trading him. But other than dead money there’s sense in keeping him if we get someone like Lance and sit him until midseason or whatever. Point it options go with TB and despite throwing Grier out there and tanking before the season has even started - there’s a better plan in place I’m sure.

“Multiple sources who have spoken with Belichick this offseason said he does nothing but rave about Newton and the effort the quarterback put forth in 2020,” Volin writes. “The only problem Belichick is concerned with is Newton’s arm strength, with Newton having suffered multiple shoulder injuries in the last five years.”

Google is your friend, you can learn things like this isn’t true. You’ll also learn what is true - that DUI laws are pathetic. But the truth isn’t ‘edgy’ enough now days so no one will care to change it.

You people and your hate for TB....it wouldn’t make any sense. Yes TB is overpaid but he only has one year left - but for fans it seems to be this made up franchise crippling contract. By trading you’re then adding another 10 M to whoever you try and pay and find to be the QB for next season and you limit all of your options. So you fug your cap for a year just so you can get rid of TB? For what? Only way I see that as a good idea is if you have a sure fire QB you’re drafting and you plan on starting him day 1. Or you get a QB you plan to start like the Stafford trade. Don’t waste cap space without a plan. No one knows how the draft will fall or even if a QB will be drafted. But TB is insurance either way. Panthers can sit a rookie as long as a year, give him competition in camp etc. Also no one knows how FA will play out, the Panthers could end up with no one else. The whole start Grier and tank before the season hasn’t begun isn’t an option either. So you keep TB. No one is going to offer more than a 5th for a back up QB anyways, and that’s not worth his dead cap AND signing a new QB AND taking away any options for a drafted QB...if that exists. Too many unknowns at this point.

4th ranked oline and a back who average 5 yards a carry.. No sorry, some receivers and a qb is all they need.

Other than weapons and poor qb play the Patriots are actually a really good team and well coached. They don’t need much to contend.

If 4 QBs do go in the top 7 picks I see that actually benefiting the team, still have some great choices at other position if that’s the case. You guys are so obsessed with QB that think finding a franchise QB one year removed from the last one is some sort of norm. It really isn’t and the rare examples are decades apart. The majority had dud seasons and bridge QBs filling the gaps. It’s may take time barring a trade.

I’ve watched some of Lance...is it the arm strength you guys are all gushing over? I don’t see much else, athletic talent? His recovers are always open seems like, not a lot of accuracy or going through reads. I guess this is what it means to be raw? But do these traits really go well with the Brady offense or is everyone expecting either Lance to learn or Brady to change. I’m genuinely curious, I don’t watch much college just looking at QB games/highlights.

Lol yep. My house cost me $375,000 in SLC. This house in Charlotte? Easily $250k or less with more land. I really REALLY hate the fuging west housing costs. Seattle, Cali, Colorado, AZ is getting up there. Hell even Vegas is getting dumb expensive. Boise is still nice but it’s only a matter of time. Montana, NM, and Wyoming are all that’s left on the entire west side of the US...but there is not poo out there. I have a great job out here but you can bet your ass my sights are set on the east coast for retirement.