MHS831

Love to see us drop back to 15 or so and take horn or farley....doubt Surtain lasts that long--then move back up and get the T--I think Cosmi (Tex) slides, but I am not sure I want him--mixed reviews.

me too, but i love the chance to dig deep for understanding--I really did this for me, and then shared it.

Yes. You are on.

It hard to keep up with you two--do either of you think Jones at #3?

You do understand that the concept was analytics, right? They are not fortune cookies--they are in-depth, statistical reasons that help you see what you think you know or thought you knew. Now how many CBs in the second and beyond are #1 CBs? I think another CB is not a need--we have 5-6 who can make a roster. We need that guy---and that is stated. No, I did not say I think it, but it would not surprise me OK, FUA, I will bet that we draft a CB in round 1 if Sewell is off the board---at #8 or later---(damn I wish I had not started that betting thread). This draft is already getting crazy, my friend.

Me too. If I can't have Sewell, I want 3 starters and enough 2022 picks to make Darnold free.

Me too. Funny, when I do mocks, I trade and end up selecting 14 stud players and getting a full 2022 draft. I sent them to Tep. Let's see if I get offered a job.

I need a hobby.

ON jerseys or on pop quizzes when you were in school?

Just double down, why don't you? These arent facts yet.

No that is what I was thinking. I even said in another post that they could use Pitts or Slater as trade bait...I am usually accused of underthinking, thank you.

There was absolutely no fluff. She does not care about feelings at all. It hurt.

I hope you are right--that presser giggle got to me. I may have fallen for a middle school kid tactic being employed by our GM and coach .Damn their deception.

Yes--I am sure we have rated these players. I would give players point values that include need and position value as well as draft spot.

And Morgan, I think there will be 3 CBs on OUR board at #8--Surtain, Horn, and Farley. Not sure about Newsome. So to move back 7 spots you have know the needs and examine the others on the board then--and there are teams that need edge rushers, and I expect a run to go on them around the middle of the draft. Parsons, a top 3 WR or 2 will be there--I think we can feel good about NE, be prepared to trade back up if we trade with WFT... IS that where you are?

I can see taking Surtain at 8, however.

It sure is, but not far. I am really loving Surtain, Farley, and Horn. Add a second rounder, take the OL and WR and the rest is gravy.

I feel the same way--you have to look at the panaramic picture and not just the need/player available. If I suggest a CB, I am suggesting trading back and adding a second or third rounder to assure us the T and WR spots are addressed. I really like Pitts the player--he might be my favorite player in this draft. But taking him at 8 would be a coo, however, it does not provide extra picks and now we have needs at LT, CB, and WR and 2 day 2 picks to do it. It means we can't use the third rounder to move up if needed. So Pitts is a luxury, if you ask me. I use him as trade bait to get a good deal and I stick to the #1 CB/LT/WR script. If we trade back and get a second and use the third to trade up--we could get 3 impact players in the first 45 picks. There are hundreds of ways to look at this, and I try to keep an open mind. It NEVER plays out the way I think it will and I spend draft day going through a range of emotions from anger, to apathy to "oh, I see what they are doing."

Somewhere I read about Surtain (I think it was Peter King on PFT): "He does not get fooled by double moves...." He is a press, can play zone, is tall, long arms..." The double move comment got me, because you can leave him on an island, shade the S behind Jackson who has frequently bitten on double moves, and that S help allows him to play more aggressively. They mentioned the job Hartsfield was doing at the end of the season during the presser--they just seemed really focused on the secondary. I think THEY THINK they have addressed LT well enough to wait until round 2....

Great point. We could be chasing the false bread crumbs they are dropping, but it makes sense. At first, I was pissed about CB, but frankly there are 3 who could change our secondary a lot---right now. And the LT draft is solid. We could get Cosmi for example, and he was a mid first round pick in the past few drafts.

And I think we take Fields if he falls to us

Verge, are you like me in that you see the possibility of a short trade back to get a top CB and then LT in second? I could be off on a tangent, but I am thinking they might trade back even if Slater is on the board. I think #1 CB is perhaps a bigger need than we are realizing, considering our 31st ranking "off the field on third down" ranking. Just went off on a tangent, read some tea leaves, shook my magic 8 ball, and spent $20 on Psychics.com.

Not effectively. Words are your friends. Does this stat tell you how often we were in the red zone compared to other teams? Teams need opportunities to score before you measure their success at scoring. If the Panthers scored 99% of the time in the red zone and another team scored 59% of times in the red zone but scored more points, do you think red zone scoring was an issue? Man, I am a research professor. I know the difference between the central problem and side effects. Scoring is shiny and what everyone pays attention to-opportunities to score are more important, so no, it does not scream OL. It could scream QB, WR, TE. Dont know how you arrived at that conclusion, frankly.

I bet you that your avatar will stay the same if you don't bet.