Tyler Gaffney Panthers Comparison

[d-dave]

He's a big slasher. I love the videos but it was really evident that he had a tremendous OL.

How does he do for us? No clue. I hope he plays really well for us as a 6th round RB. When you have someone who's played behind a really great OL in a very RB friendly system, I'm not sure how well he's going to do in the pros.

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[Matthias]

Do any of you think he will be a starter in this league?  I don't think the Panthers are planning on that.  Perhaps the reason they drafted him is that they saw potential of having a good fullback.  I think Brad Hoover was a running back in college, someone correct me if I'm wrong.  So like someone said before, he will probably be our fullback at some point if he does get any play time or become a starter down the road.

[Matthias]

While there is no denying the SEC the dominant conference, this is a ignorant comment.  Stanford had 8 games vs top 25 opponent, including defeating the then #1 team in the nation, Oregon.  To say that a guy who got 1,709 yards and 21 TDs vs 8 ranked opponents is pretty dumb of you, and you need to get off your knees in front of the SEC.

 

 

As I said he was a system back.  The guy before him had success as a runner, and probably the guy before him.  I could probably be successful in Stanford's system.  Yet how many of their runners remotely had success in the NFL?  None.  Oregon is known for their offense, not their defense.  The best defense in Stanford's conference, is Stanford's.  The teams they played aren't known for their run stuffing defense.

 

All that said, there's no question it was a wasted pick in my book.  It wasn't a need, and as far as value goes, his ceiling for us is no more than a fullback.  Now if he turns out to be the next Brad Hoover for us, eh, I can't complain there.

[CRA]

As I said he was a system back. The guy before him had success as a runner, and probably the guy before him. I could probably be successful in Stanford's system. Yet how many of their runners remotely had success in the NFL? None. Oregon is known for their offense, not their defense. The best defense in Stanford's conference, is Stanford's. The teams they played aren't known for their run stuffing defense.

All that said, there's no question it was a wasted pick in my book. It wasn't a need, and as far as value goes, his ceiling for us is no more than a fullback. Now if he turns out to be the next Brad Hoover for us, eh, I can't complain there.

You can make a similar argument for any player to come out of school from Alabama to Oregon.

[Draconus]

As I said he was a system back.  The guy before him had success as a runner, and probably the guy before him.  I could probably be successful in Stanford's system.  Yet how many of their runners remotely had success in the NFL?  None.  Oregon is known for their offense, not their defense.  The best defense in Stanford's conference, is Stanford's.  The teams they played aren't known for their run stuffing defense.

 

All that said, there's no question it was a wasted pick in my book.  It wasn't a need, and as far as value goes, his ceiling for us is no more than a fullback.  Now if he turns out to be the next Brad Hoover for us, eh, I can't complain there.

Well considering Toby Gerhardt is averaging 4.7 yards a carry with limited carries backing up AP, and has been signed to the Jaguar to replace MJD as their starter this offseason, you're WRONG! I don't even know how to debate you, because you're so poorly informed.  Stanford runs a complete pro-style offense, so I'm not sure how this is creating running backs that won't work in the Panthers offense, which is incredibly similar.  

 

David Shaw has only been a coach for 3 years, so I'm not sure how you're calling the starter running back of the Jaguars, the second/third string running back for the Cardinals and a guy we just picked in the 6th as a legacy of failure in the NFL.

[Mr. Scot]

Good call, Zod.

 

Watching his running style definitely reminds me of Stephen Davis.  The two of them run with a similar profile. 

 

Also noticed he seems to have excellent balance as well (balance is underrated as a runningback trait in my mind).

[Mr. Scot]

I'll add that I heard Mike Mayock talking about what a good value Gaffney would be while the draft was still in the 3rd or 4th round and runningback picks were scarce.

[MV%doe]

you realize Williams is on the wrong side of the 30 and stew can't stay healthy right? Both with huge contracts hurting the team?

How about we work forward solid replacements in the 6th round.

 

 

since williams has played in the nfl, its been a time share. so hes like a 2006 car with 70,000 miles rather than 120,000. hes more like a 27 years old with 1,200 carries and not 31 with 2,000 carries. now on to the myth of him being overpaid, currently he getting 1,800,000 this year and next. thats NOT overpaying, thats a fair deal for each side. 

 

tour de' stew hasnt done much since signing for BIG bucks, but just like williams hes in a time share. cutting him WILL kill the cap, 10+ million in dead space. so not until 2016 is it even a option. 

 

so both should be here until after the 2015, cause cutting/trading either is not smart given the penalties. 

 

 

now tolbert and cam, also run the ball too. unless dave has a plan to trade barner/toblert, why waste a pick? but i need to follow my BPA beliefs and buy into this RB as being the best available. i just dont believe it.  

[Matthias]

Well considering Toby Gerhardt is averaging 4.7 yards a carry with limited carries backing up AP, and has been signed to the Jaguar to replace MJD as their starter this offseason, you're WRONG! I don't even know how to debate you, because you're so poorly informed.  Stanford runs a complete pro-style offense, so I'm not sure how this is creating running backs that won't work in the Panthers offense, which is incredibly similar.  

 

David Shaw has only been a coach for 3 years, so I'm not sure how you're calling the starter running back of the Jaguars, the second/third string running back for the Cardinals and a guy we just picked in the 6th as a legacy of failure in the NFL.

 

 

We'll see.  Gerhart is probably the best out of the recent group.  Let's see if he has any great success as a starter.  I'm just not impressed with Gaffney when there were better guys on the board to be made.  I'm not talking just on the OL but there was a better running back on the board as well.  If they saw Gaffney and said starter, they are sorely mistaken.  I don't see it in his game at all to be a good starter.  This of course is why he wasn't drafted until the sixth.  If to be a back up, I consider it a wasted pick.  Now if they were looking at him to be a starting fullback, that's another conversation.

 

So my question to you and everyone else excited about this pick, what is it that you are expecting from him?  If it's his starting potential, I'll go out on a limb and say your hope is misplaced.

[Mojo]

Gaffney runs like a baby dinosaur. I like that.

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[Draconus]

We'll see.  Gerhart is probably the best out of the recent group.  Let's see if he has any great success as a starter.  I'm just not impressed with Gaffney when there were better guys on the board to be made.  I'm not talking just on the OL but there was a better running back on the board as well.  If they saw Gaffney and said starter, they are sorely mistaken.  I don't see it in his game at all to be a good starter.  This of course is why he wasn't drafted until the sixth.  If to be a back up, I consider it a wasted pick.  Now if they were looking at him to be a starting fullback, that's another conversation.

 

So my question to you and everyone else excited about this pick, what is it that you are expecting from him?  If it's his starting potential, I'll go out on a limb and say your hope is misplaced.

And this is why it's so frustrating to debate or discuss anything with you, and many others on this board.  The majority seems to somehow believe what you do that a sixth round pick being a backup is a "wasted pick".  There are roughly 22 starting positions in the NFL per team, do you really expect to have 7 new starters each year?  This isn't Madden, players don't run around full speed the whole game and never tire. 

 

We, more then most teams, should know the importance of depth at skill positions. Since you're probably a Post-Cam Newton Panthers fan, you don't remember the days of Stephen Davis/Deshaun Foster and 3 others going down and practice squad running backs starting.  Or when we faced the pre-Pete Carroll Seahawks one game short of the Super Bowl and had to rely on Nick Goings.

 

As for "why he slid to the 6th", you realize no running backs have gone in the first round in the last 2 years, and that 3 years ago, the only RB in the first were in the last 5 picks?  A sixth round running back this year is the same quality as a 3rd round running back when we drafted Deangelo/Stewart. 

[Matthias]

And this is why it's so frustrating to debate or discuss anything with you, and many others on this board.  The majority seems to somehow believe what you do that a sixth round pick being a backup is a "wasted pick".  There are roughly 22 starting positions in the NFL per team, do you really expect to have 7 new starters each year?  This isn't Madden, players don't run around full speed the whole game and never tire. 

 

We, more then most teams, should know the importance of depth at skill positions. Since you're probably a Post-Cam Newton Panthers fan, you don't remember the days of Stephen Davis/Deshaun Foster and 3 others going down and practice squad running backs starting.  Or when we faced the pre-Pete Carroll Seahawks one game short of the Super Bowl and had to rely on Nick Goings.

 

As for "why he slid to the 6th", you realize no running backs have gone in the first round in the last 2 years, and that 3 years ago, the only RB in the first were in the last 5 picks?  A sixth round running back this year is the same quality as a 3rd round running back when we drafted Deangelo/Stewart. 

 

 

Look at my avatar.  Would you say from that I'm most likely a post Cam Panther fan?  I'm a hometown fan type, so me and the Panthers go way back.  Look at our team, look at our O-line, look at our offensive tackles.  You confident in that group?  In this case, we could have used a pick on OT in the late rounds, and yes they could have been starters for us. (History will tell you plenty of starting offensive linemen were taking late as well as early)  If you're a consistent playoff team every year, then yeah you can blow a couple of picks in the later rounds.  Yet if you have glaring needs, you can't afford to waste a pick.  Now as I said, if we were looking for a starter, not a back up, Gaffney is not the guy we should have picked up.  We should have went after a guy like Storm Johnson because he was better than Gaffney.  Someone said he had fumbling issues.  Bah, I'm willing to take the chance on that considering his skill set.

 

 

So, if Gaffney was brought on for depth, it was a wasted pick.  We could have gotten depth in UDFA or other teams cuts.  Yet overall, he isn't good depth.  He won't be a great runner in this league.  He probably won't even make the team if Barner improves even a little bit.

[davos]

I'll add that I heard Mike Mayock talking about what a good value Gaffney would be while the draft was still in the 3rd or 4th round and runningback picks were scarce.

 

I remember him mentioning that as well.  

[davos]

And I would't say Gaffney was a wasted pick because he fills a few active roles.  If he works out, TG can take over both Barner and Brockel's spots almost in a Toby Gerhart type role for us and be a solid ST contributor.  For a 6th rounder, that's good value added.