We didn't do Cam any favors, and if this is it we're gonna have some problems

[top dawg]

Oh and btw I didn't know a 6 foot 5 wide receiver isn't gonna do cam any favors

 

 

For you and anyone else repeating this same old line:

 

"We didn't do _________ any favors" is a figure of speech, not to be taken literally. 

 

If I meet you walking in the desert---lost and thirsty---riding in my van stocked with cases of water, stop and give you a 16.9 oz bottle of water but leave you there, then of course I did you a favor by giving you a bottle of water, but at the end of the day you're still probably gonna end up thirsty as hell.  Did I do you any favors by leaving you lost in the desert? No.  

 

i wouldn't think that I'd have to explain this, but I decided to clarify just in case you're being genuine as opposed to sarcastic.

[top dawg]

there wasn't a tackle available that would get started over bell and chandler.

 

Well, that's surely the company line. We don't have to accept it without question. 

 

It would seem to me that we could have done without an RB in the sixth---regardless of his blocking skills and special teams prowess---in favor of James Hurst who has a good medical prognosis.  But, who knows?

[pantherclaw]

shut yo dumb ass up and stop being such a btich

this guy articulates why he doesn't agree with pure BPA, and gettlemans draft and your come in this thread acting like a dumbshit that you are

You know what's really getting tired? Bitches bitching about what they perceive as "the sky is falling" when in reality it's just someone doesn't agree with you. Maybe it's just me, maybe it's because we live in the Carolina's and they're too many dumb fug christian republicans that turn everything into "faith", but this is getting fuging old.

No wonder everyone laughs at this website, it's poo. A bunch of old fags winking at each other and acting like they're somehow more intelligent for towing the company line.

I nominate this for stupidest post of draft weekend.

[PantherWake]

I nominate this for stupidest post of draft weekend.

And then on top of that his username is Hurney lol

[pantherclaw]

Well, that's surely the company line. We don't have to accept it without question.

It would seem to me that we could have done without an RB in the sixth---regardless of his blocking skills and special teams prowess---in favor of James Hurst who has a good medical prognosis. But, who knows?

funny thing is, I've never been known as a company man that tows the line.

[Diehardpanther02]

For you and anyone else repeating this same old line:

"We didn't do _________ any favors" is a figure of speech, not to be taken literally.

If I meet you walking in the desert---lost and thirsty---riding in my van stocked with cases of water, stop and give you a 16.9 oz bottle of water but leave you there, then of course I did you a favor by giving you a bottle of water, but at the end of the day you're still probably gonna end up thirsty as hell. Did I do you any favors by leaving you lost in the desert? No.

i wouldn't think that I'd have to explain this, but I decided to clarify just in case you're being genuine as opposed to sarcastic.

Good point... But if I was lost in the desert and you drove by in a van that i knew was full of water and u jus gave me a bottle(when I knew there was more in there) I would rob your a$$ take ur van piss in the bottle , give it to you and then leave in your own vehicle...now back too football jus because a position of need wasn't filled in the draft doesn't mean it won't be before august...obviously I know that this is a site to express concern but pessimism is annoying especially when you have yet to see the outcome...I guess you could call me a blind optimist or what u guys would call a homer becuz I have faith that we can fill the gap...but until then I trust they know more than me and the fact that cam struggles with interior pressure(and we drafted a solid guard) seemed more problematic, it's as if they know this and like they have been around this gameHmmm smart little nipple shorted riverboat gamblin front office..

[top dawg]

Good point... But if I was lost in the desert and you drove by in a van that i knew was full of water and u jus gave me a bottle(when I knew there was more in there) I would rob your a$$ take ur van piss in the bottle , give it to you and then leave in your own vehicle...now back too football jus because a position of need wasn't filled in the draft doesn't mean it won't be before august...obviously I know that this is a site to express concern but pessimism is annoying especially when you have yet to see the outcome...I guess you could call me a blind optimist or what u guys would call a homer becuz I have faith that we can fill the gap...but until then I trust they know more than me and the fact that cam struggles with interior pressure(and we drafted a solid guard) seemed more problematic, it's as if they know this and like they have been around this gameHmmm smart little nipple shorted riverboat gamblin front office..

 

Cute...

 

In regards to your football point, the title does make room for new signings, hence the word "if".  Furthermore, your'e right, this is a Panthers football forum. Of course there is going to be discussion after the draft that is full of "pessimism" as you referred to it anyway.  I am glad that a probable beast of a guard was drafted, but we're discussing the tackle position---you know, the one that was just vacated by Jordan Gross.  

 

I am going to tell you like I have told others, no one is putting a gun to your head making you click on a thread. If you don't like the subject, get frustrated by the subject matter, or get annoyed by differences in opinion, then perhaps you should leave it alone and co-sign in the ones that you are in total agreement.

[DaveThePanther2008]

Top Dawg I hear your opinion and I wanted an OT as well.  Even had we drafted an OT their still would be a question mark at the position.  By addressing it in the draft you are only saying here is another body for competition.  Rounds 1-3 you would HOPE they win but it isn't a guarantee.

 

Top three picks I am ok with.   Great value on both Benjamin and Ealy.   Could have added an OT instead of a guard but the guard still fortifies a position that was a turnstile all season long.  So I was ok with that pick too.

 

Rounds 4-7 BPA is just as good as reaching for a player that isn't any better than the bodies we already have.  Why add an OT that isn't as good as Chandler, Bell or anyone else on the roster.

 

BTW, I may not agree with your opinion but at least you make an argument.   Far better than G-man is an idiot because he didn't draft who I think we should have. 

[hdevonxz]

Here's a simple answer to teh complex question of BPA.

 

 

If BPA was the best drafting strategy then there would never be a situation with good players falling. Now ask yourself why 31 other teams passed over tht player. 

[d-dave]

Got to love the passion of the fan base here.

Cam is going to be a career Panther until there is a Payton Manning reason to let him go. Teams tend to keep and pay franchise QBs no matter how inconsistent they may be. Look at Jay Cutler.

If the team is better in August than it was in January, then everything is great. Despite our own opinions, Gettleman is the GM and it's his job to ensure we are always moving forward. If he says that our current OTs are just as good a guys taken late1/early 2, then that's what he's staying his job and rep upon come September...

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[BigCat]

I put more time and effort into this draft than any other because I was excited about the fact that this draft purportedly being as deep at WR than it has been in years (and possibly ever if you believe some), as well as having a solid stable of OTs as well according to all the analysts, execs, and talking heads. I was stoked, eagerly perusing all of this information. I mean it was like the perfect storm, the draft was full of high level prospects that fit our needs, but lo and behold we only come out with one WR and no tackles. That's somewhat of a bitter pill to swallow.

I know that I am not a GM, and I know that intellectually Dave Gettleman knows a hell of a lot more than I do about building a football team, but his philosophy of drafting the BPA at all costs is a big old horse pill that you look at and wonder how the fug you're going to get that down your throat. I mean, value is wonderful, especially when thinking long term, but what about now? Regardless of any real or perceived differences in team building, it seems to me that a philosophy that has you draft players at a position of strength in lieu of players that may be perceived as marginally less talented at a position of weakness doesn't necessarily take balance into account. Moreover, it's almost like you have to get lucky to even achieve that balance needed to be successful---whether short or long term---and win championships.

It was widely regarded that we needed to draft an LT because we were weak at the position, and I don't believe that all the G-man-speak in the world about Bell and/or Chandler is changing that opinion. I said opinion, because it is not a fact. What is a fact is that their play left a lot to be desired last year (especially Bell's...my goodness). It was also widely regarded that we have a group of threes and fours at wide receiver who may not even see the field much on some clubs (especially the top ones). Thankfully we drafted a WR in the first with some upside, and we can only hope that Benjamin can hit the ground running and at least give us an 800-1000 yard effort this year (knowing our limited pass offense), but even G-man has admitted to the fact that receivers rarely come in and make an immediate impact, not to mention that receivers rarely break out until really year three. Benjamin is raw as it is, so I am not going to hold my breath, so the smart bet is to temper your expectations that he is going to come in and do an A.J. Green or a Keenan Allen.

Regardless of all the whys, debates and arguments over philosophical differences, at the end of the day, Cam Newton is going to have to rely on great big question marks to protect his blind side, and some WR3s and WR4s to at least "hold serve" until Benjamin gets to speed and/or the young question marks at WR do the same and pleasantly shock the world with their play making and game changing ability.

Don't get me wrong, it looks like our defense will be stronger (it better). Our D-line will be our saving grace, and in theory our ball hawking defensive backfield should be able to benefit from the guys up front. But, offensively we are still taking our chances, and as a result the team is unbalanced. We weren't able to (for whatever reasons) fill glaring needs during free agency on the O-line, and we didn't upgrade our receiving corp as well as I'd have liked (which in theory gives you the freedom to draft the BPA, and not for need). I realize that free agency isn't technically over, but it would be nice if G-man pulls a rabbit out of his hat.

At this point there appears to be no yin and yang. Cam is going to have to overcompensate for an offense peppered with a couple of guys who aren't necessarily fit to protect him, a couple of older vets and a journeyman at WR who are WR3-4 hybrids, a TE who may have to bare the burden of being the number 1 receiver again, another TE who has suspect hands, and a bunch of young question marks at wide

receiver who we've been told have

some potential.

After letting this draft sit for a day, I believe DG did a good job with this draft. He has insurance if Hardy leaves or when Johnson gets too old. Also, he brought in young fresh legs in the back for cheap, so as we transition from Double Trouble, the replacements are already in place. The only thing the team needs now is two studs at tackle.

I hope it all turns out well.

[KillerKat]

Why do some poster quote each other but then don't say anything after the quote?

[iamhubby1]

Here's a simple answer to teh complex question of BPA.

 

 

If BPA was the best drafting strategy then there would never be a situation with good players falling. Now ask yourself why 31 other teams passed over tht player.

Maybe, just maybe, it is the fact that not every team has the exact same scouting staff, or their GM likes different types of players, or the schemes are not the same, ect.

Plenty of reasons every team does not draft the same. You are welcome.

 

 

Why do some poster quote each other but then don't say anything after the quote?

My thinking is that they argee with the line of thinking. Or they have no clue what they are doing, they can quote but don't have any clue how to add context.

The question has been burning in my brain for a while. Glad someone else noticed.

[Rules&Regulations]

there wasn't a tackle available that would get started over bell and chandler.

You don't really believe that statement, do you? We're talking about Byron Bell and a converted DT who played mostly guard last season.

Also, what's our depth look like? What happens if one of them gets injured?